What is it that is imputed?

[Buzzard]

Proverbs
For jealousy is the rage of a man:
therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.

35 He will not regard any ransom;
neither will he rest content,
though thou givest many gifts.

dingoling. said:
We have told you numerous times, we don't pray to the dead. God is not a God of the dead but of the living.
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Proverbs

A foolish woman is clamorous:
she is simple, and knoweth nothing.

14 For she sitteth at the door of her house,
on a seat in the high places of the city,

15 To call passengers who go right on their ways:

16 Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither:
and as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,

17 Stolen waters are sweet,
and bread eaten in secret is pleasant.

18 But he knoweth not that the dead are there;
and that her guests are in the depths of hell.
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those that go down unto her
return not to the Land of the Living

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God is not the God of the dead,
but of the living.


cast not your pearls before Swine
Proverbs
As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout,
so is a fair woman which is without discretion.

 

[balshan]

Like I said we explain it to you but you don't accept the explanation.

Yep because your explanation is weak with no substance.

 

[1Thess521]

Christians are in Christ are still in Christ when they die. We never cease to be in Christ. Once in Christ we are always in Christ, even if our physical bodies die. Those who are gone are in Christ and we are in Christ so we can pray to anyone who is in Christ.

stop the press!

are those in Christ saved?

 

[Bonnie]

Quote from official Catholic teachings. Thanks.

That part I got; it is this part I didn't: "Modern, well-informed Catholics think are not official Catholic teachings."

Please restate. Thanks.

 

[Bonnie]

We have told you numerous times, we don't pray to the dead. God is not a God of the dead but of the living.

But the dead in Christ ARE PHYSICALLY DEAD. Their souls remain, but their bodies are dead! I mean, when Jesus said that, Abraham and Moses were physically dead, were they not?

so, yes, Catholics DO pray to the physically dead. It doesn't matter if they died in the Lord, they are still PHYSICALLY DEAD. Tehy cannot hear the living on earth praying to them. They are the "dead in Christ" as even Paul calls them. Was he wrong?

Why isn't Jesus good enough for Catholics to pray to directly, as even He has encouraged us to do?

 

[Bonnie]

Like I said we explain it to you but you don't accept the explanation.

We don't accept it because it is so unbiblical!

 

[RiJoRi]

Why isn't Jesus good enough for Catholics to pray to directly, as even He has encouraged us to do?

a) The RCC's Jesus is too busy being called down to all the RCC masses and being sacrificed repeatedly.
b) Who would want to pray to a "savior" incapable of "saving to the uttermost"? Or who needs his mommy to tell him who to save?
c) The RCC's Jesus is seen as their ill-tempered judge, not a loving Savior.

--Rich

 

[balshan]

stop the press!

are those in Christ saved?

Wouldn't that be the sin of presumption?

 

[balshan]

a) The RCC's Jesus is too busy being called down to all the RCC masses and being sacrificed repeatedly.
b) Who would want to pray to a "savior" incapable of "saving to the uttermost"? Or who needs his mommy to tell him who to save?
c) The RCC's Jesus is seen as their ill-tempered judge, not a loving Savior.

--Rich

It does make you wonder what their reasons are for not going straight to the Lord.