What is meant by being in Christ?

TomFL

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What is meant by being in Christ?

To be "in Christ" is one way of describing what it means to be a Christian. Those who are "in Christ" are spiritually united to and identified with Christ such that all the blessings and the benefits obtained by Christ belong to them. The book of Ephesians alone references the believer as being "in Christ" twenty-seven times and expounds on the rich spiritual blessings that belong to such believers. Though the Christian's union with Christ was predestined by God before the creation of the world (Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9), it is not the state into which we are naturally born. In fact, Scripture describes all mankind as being born in a state of separation and alienated from God (Ephesians 2:12). Our union with Christ is not realized until, by the grace of God, we repent of our sin and exercise faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8–10). Through faith in Christ we come to experience a spiritual union with Him wherein we participate in His life, death, resurrection and ascension (Colossians 2:12; Romans 6:5; Ephesians 2:6). Analogies used to help us picture this spiritual union include how branches are united to a vine, and even marriage, where man is united to woman (John 15:5; Ephesians 5:31–32). Below is a list of just some of the amazing benefits which belong to those of us who are "in Christ."

1. In Christ, we are adopted into God's family (Ephesians 1:5). We are made children of God with Jesus Christ as, not only our Lord and Savior, but also our elder brother (Romans 8:29).

2. In Christ, we are accepted by God (Ephesians 1:7).

3. In Christ, we experience the eternal and unbreakable love of God (Romans 8:38–39).

4. In Christ, we experience the peace of God which transcends understanding and guards our hearts and minds (Philippians 4:7–9).

5. In Christ, God has promised to meet all of our needs, both material and spiritual (Philippians 4:11–13; 2 Peter 1:3–4).

6. In Christ, we are justified and sanctified in the sight of God. We have had our sins imputed to Christ and Christ's righteousness has been imputed to us (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24; Romans 5:18–19). This is a "double exchange" wherein Christ voluntarily suffered for our sins and clothed us with His righteousness. This is the basis for the forgiveness of our sins before our holy God (Ephesians 1:7).

7. In Christ, we belong to the church, which is referred to in Scripture as the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). Those of us who are in Christ are also united to one another (John 17:20–21). Our union with Christ is the basis for unity amongst believers. We are living stones brought together to make up a spiritual house (1 Peter 2:5). We are members of Christ's body. We are the very bride of Christ.

8. In Christ, we share in the benefits of His life, death, resurrection and ascension such that, not only are we recipients of Christ's life and righteousness, but we have been freed from the power and penalty of sin and death (Hebrews 2:14–15; 1 Corinthians 15:55–57). In Christ, we have been made alive to God, having been made new creatures with new spiritual natures (2 Corinthians 5:17–19). In Christ, we are being progressively transformed into His image and likeness (2 Corinthians 3:18). Finally, in Christ, we eagerly anticipate receiving glorified resurrected bodies and reigning with Him forever in the new heavens and the new earth (Philippians 3:20–21; 2 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 5:10).



www.compellingtruth.org/in-Christ.html

To be noted is the comment

it is not the state into which we are naturally born. In fact, Scripture describes all mankind as being born in a state of separation and alienated from God (Ephesians 2:12).

It seems the same faithful in Christ Ephesians were told according to


Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

they were at one time separated from Christ

Therefore any claim they were selected and in Christ before the world began is false

There is simple no support for unconditional election in Ephesians
 
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brightfame52

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tom

In fact, Scripture describes all mankind as being born in a state of separation and alienated from God (Ephesians 2:12). Our union with Christ is not realized until, by the grace of God, we repent of our sin and exercise faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8–10). Through faith in Christ we come to experience a spiritual union with Him wherein we participate in His life, death, resurrection and ascension

The elect have a union with Christ before the foundation of the world, having been chosen in Him as early. However they dont know about this union or experience it until they are in time quicken into new life, and given faith. However the Union always existed, just not known. Whenever a person comes to faith, they will realize that they have always been in Christ. So yes by faith the elect do realize and come to experience the reality of having been chosen in Christ before the foundation. This eternal union is the basis for the experiential union!
 

Cynthia

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What is meant by being in Christ?

To be "in Christ" is one way of describing what it means to be a Christian. Those who are "in Christ" are spiritually united to and identified with Christ such that all the blessings and the benefits obtained by Christ belong to them. The book of Ephesians alone references the believer as being "in Christ" twenty-seven times and expounds on the rich spiritual blessings that belong to such believers. Though the Christian's union with Christ was predestined by God before the creation of the world (Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9), it is not the state into which we are naturally born. In fact, Scripture describes all mankind as being born in a state of separation and alienated from God (Ephesians 2:12). Our union with Christ is not realized until, by the grace of God, we repent of our sin and exercise faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8–10). Through faith in Christ we come to experience a spiritual union with Him wherein we participate in His life, death, resurrection and ascension (Colossians 2:12; Romans 6:5; Ephesians 2:6). Analogies used to help us picture this spiritual union include how branches are united to a vine, and even marriage, where man is united to woman (John 15:5; Ephesians 5:31–32). Below is a list of just some of the amazing benefits which belong to those of us who are "in Christ."

1. In Christ, we are adopted into God's family (Ephesians 1:5). We are made children of God with Jesus Christ as, not only our Lord and Savior, but also our elder brother (Romans 8:29).

2. In Christ, we are accepted by God (Ephesians 1:7).

3. In Christ, we experience the eternal and unbreakable love of God (Romans 8:38–39).

4. In Christ, we experience the peace of God which transcends understanding and guards our hearts and minds (Philippians 4:7–9).

5. In Christ, God has promised to meet all of our needs, both material and spiritual (Philippians 4:11–13; 2 Peter 1:3–4).

6. In Christ, we are justified and sanctified in the sight of God. We have had our sins imputed to Christ and Christ's righteousness has been imputed to us (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24; Romans 5:18–19). This is a "double exchange" wherein Christ voluntarily suffered for our sins and clothed us with His righteousness. This is the basis for the forgiveness of our sins before our holy God (Ephesians 1:7).

7. In Christ, we belong to the church, which is referred to in Scripture as the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). Those of us who are in Christ are also united to one another (John 17:20–21). Our union with Christ is the basis for unity amongst believers. We are living stones brought together to make up a spiritual house (1 Peter 2:5). We are members of Christ's body. We are the very bride of Christ.

8. In Christ, we share in the benefits of His life, death, resurrection and ascension such that, not only are we recipients of Christ's life and righteousness, but we have been freed from the power and penalty of sin and death (Hebrews 2:14–15; 1 Corinthians 15:55–57). In Christ, we have been made alive to God, having been made new creatures with new spiritual natures (2 Corinthians 5:17–19). In Christ, we are being progressively transformed into His image and likeness (2 Corinthians 3:18). Finally, in Christ, we eagerly anticipate receiving glorified resurrected bodies and reigning with Him forever in the new heavens and the new earth (Philippians 3:20–21; 2 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 5:10).



www.compellingtruth.org/in-Christ.html

To be noted is the comment

it is not the state into which we are naturally born. In fact, Scripture describes all mankind as being born in a state of separation and alienated from God (Ephesians 2:12).

It seems the same faithful in Christ Ephesians were told according to


Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

they were at one time separated from Christ

Therefore any claim they were selected and in Christ before the world began is false

There is simple no support for unconditional election in Ephesians
What a glorious gathering of verses on this subject. Reading them all together is so uplifting! Glory to God!
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
There is also a legal union with Christ when He died and rose again, the elect were in Christ then, so much so, when He rose from the dead into the heavenlies they were in union with Him Eph 2:5-6

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The word together with denotes Union in and with Christ. This is at the time of His Resurrection when none of the elect Paul was writing to had been born !
 

TomFL

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tom



The elect have a union with Christ before the foundation of the world, having been chosen in Him as early. However they dont know about this union or experience it until they are in time quicken into new life, and given faith. However the Union always existed, just not known. Whenever a person comes to faith, they will realize that they have always been in Christ. So yes by faith the elect do realize and come to experience the reality of having been chosen in Christ before the foundation. This eternal union is the basis for the experiential union!
Afraid not

did you not read

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

they were not in Christ but separated from Christ before faith

your claim is an error
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Afraid not

did you not read

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

they were not in Christ but separated from Christ
Afraid so
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Afraid so
Scripture clearly shows you are wrong

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

and in denial
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Scripture clearly shows you are wrong

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

and in denial
Scripture says I'm in truth. I showed you the scriptures
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Scripture says I'm in truth. I showed you the scriptures
You showed only error

Scripture shows they were not in Christ before faith

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

Eph. 1:13 —ESV
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”

and refuted you
 

SteveB

Well-known member
What is meant by being in Christ?

To be "in Christ" is one way of describing what it means to be a Christian. Those who are "in Christ" are spiritually united to and identified with Christ such that all the blessings and the benefits obtained by Christ belong to them. The book of Ephesians alone references the believer as being "in Christ" twenty-seven times and expounds on the rich spiritual blessings that belong to such believers. Though the Christian's union with Christ was predestined by God before the creation of the world (Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9), it is not the state into which we are naturally born. In fact, Scripture describes all mankind as being born in a state of separation and alienated from God (Ephesians 2:12). Our union with Christ is not realized until, by the grace of God, we repent of our sin and exercise faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8–10). Through faith in Christ we come to experience a spiritual union with Him wherein we participate in His life, death, resurrection and ascension (Colossians 2:12; Romans 6:5; Ephesians 2:6). Analogies used to help us picture this spiritual union include how branches are united to a vine, and even marriage, where man is united to woman (John 15:5; Ephesians 5:31–32). Below is a list of just some of the amazing benefits which belong to those of us who are "in Christ."

1. In Christ, we are adopted into God's family (Ephesians 1:5). We are made children of God with Jesus Christ as, not only our Lord and Savior, but also our elder brother (Romans 8:29).

2. In Christ, we are accepted by God (Ephesians 1:7).

3. In Christ, we experience the eternal and unbreakable love of God (Romans 8:38–39).

4. In Christ, we experience the peace of God which transcends understanding and guards our hearts and minds (Philippians 4:7–9).

5. In Christ, God has promised to meet all of our needs, both material and spiritual (Philippians 4:11–13; 2 Peter 1:3–4).

6. In Christ, we are justified and sanctified in the sight of God. We have had our sins imputed to Christ and Christ's righteousness has been imputed to us (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24; Romans 5:18–19). This is a "double exchange" wherein Christ voluntarily suffered for our sins and clothed us with His righteousness. This is the basis for the forgiveness of our sins before our holy God (Ephesians 1:7).

7. In Christ, we belong to the church, which is referred to in Scripture as the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27). Those of us who are in Christ are also united to one another (John 17:20–21). Our union with Christ is the basis for unity amongst believers. We are living stones brought together to make up a spiritual house (1 Peter 2:5). We are members of Christ's body. We are the very bride of Christ.

8. In Christ, we share in the benefits of His life, death, resurrection and ascension such that, not only are we recipients of Christ's life and righteousness, but we have been freed from the power and penalty of sin and death (Hebrews 2:14–15; 1 Corinthians 15:55–57). In Christ, we have been made alive to God, having been made new creatures with new spiritual natures (2 Corinthians 5:17–19). In Christ, we are being progressively transformed into His image and likeness (2 Corinthians 3:18). Finally, in Christ, we eagerly anticipate receiving glorified resurrected bodies and reigning with Him forever in the new heavens and the new earth (Philippians 3:20–21; 2 Timothy 2:12; Revelation 5:10).



www.compellingtruth.org/in-Christ.html

To be noted is the comment

it is not the state into which we are naturally born. In fact, Scripture describes all mankind as being born in a state of separation and alienated from God (Ephesians 2:12).

It seems the same faithful in Christ Ephesians were told according to


Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

they were at one time separated from Christ

Therefore any claim they were selected and in Christ before the world began is false

There is simple no support for unconditional election in Ephesians
Years ago it was described to me that prior to Jesus, we were under the "federal headship of Adam."
Our nature, everything about us was due to our inheriting the nature of Adam. As Genesis 5 says says of Seth--- we are in the image/likeness of Adam.
But, once we came to Jesus, we were removed from Adam's headship, and placed under the "Federal headship of Christ."

Now, everything we are, do, how we are viewed by God, we are "In Christ."

As Jesus said in Matthew 28:18-20, John 14-16, all that has been given to him, is ours.

My pastor likes to describe it using the communion elements---

When God sees us, he sees us through the blood of Jesus-- looking through the communion cup, at the bread.
 
You showed only error

Scripture shows they were not in Christ before faith

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

Eph. 1:13 —ESV
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”

and refuted you
I agree and Romans 16:7 says that Andronicus and Junias, were in Christ before Paul. This teaches that people come to be in Christ during their lives, not before they are born.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You showed only error

Scripture shows they were not in Christ before faith

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

Eph. 1:13 —ESV
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”

and refuted you
When were they in Eph 1 13 and 2 12 said to be Chosen in Christ according to Eph 1:4

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Barnes notes on Eph 1 4 chosen us:

He hath chosen us - The word "us" here shows that the apostle had reference to individuals, and not to communities. It includes Paul himself as one of the "chosen," and those whom he addressed - the mingled Gentile and Jewish converts in Ephesus. That it must refer to individuals is clear.

JFB notes

4. hath chosen us—Greek, "chose us out for Himself" (namely, out of the world, Ga 1:4): referring to His original choice, spoken of as past.
in him—The repetition of the idea, "in Christ" (Eph 1:3), implies the paramount importance of the truth that it is in Him, and by virtue of union to Him, the Second Adam, the Restorer ordained for us from everlasting, the Head of redeemed humanity, believers have all their blessings (Eph 3:11).

before the foundation of the world—This assumes the eternity of the Son of God (Joh 17:5, 24), as of the election of believers in Him (2Ti 1:9; 2Th 2:13).

Jn Gill Pt 1

According as he hath chosen us in him,.... This choice cannot be understood of a national one, as Israel of old were chosen by the Lord; for the persons the apostle writes to were not a nation; nor does he address all the inhabitants of Ephesus, only the saints and faithful in Christ that resided there; nor are they all intended here, if any of them. However, not they only, since the apostle includes himself, and perhaps some others, who did not belong to that place, nor were of that country: nor does this choice regard them as a church; for though the saints at Ephesus were in a church state, yet the apostle does not write to them under that formal consideration, but as saints and faithful; nor are these persons said to be chosen to church privileges, but to grace and glory, to be holy and blameless: besides, from Ephesians 1:3, the apostle seems to speak of himself, and some others, who first trusted in Christ, as distinct from the believers at Ephesus, Ephesians 1:13, nor is this choice of persons to an office, for all that are here intended were not apostles, or pastors, or deacons: nor can it design the effectual calling, or the call of persons in time by efficacious grace; because this was before the foundation of the world, as follows: but it intends an eternal election of particular persons to everlasting life and salvation; and which is the first blessing of grace, and the foundation one, upon which all the rest proceed, and
 

TomFL

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When were they in Eph 1 13 and 2 12 said to be Chosen in Christ according to Eph 1:4

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Barnes notes on Eph 1 4 chosen us:



JFB notes



Jn Gill Pt 1


Newsflash scripture beat commentator

and scripture say they were separate from Christ

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

and men are not in Christ until they believe

now as for

Eph. 1:13 —ESV
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”

as for your commentators why should I be concerned what Calvinists state

scripture shows they were not in Christ until they believed
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Newsflash scripture beat commentator

and scripture say they were separate from Christ

Eph. 2:12 —ESV
“remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”

and men are not in Christ until they believe

now as for

Eph. 1:13 —ESV
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”

as for your commentators why should I be concerned what Calvinists state

scripture shows they were not in Christ until they believed
When were they chosen in Christ according to Eph 1 4. Don't put reason above revelation.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
I agree and Romans 16:7 says that Andronicus and Junias, were in Christ before Paul. This teaches that people come to be in Christ during their lives, not before they are born.
Yes i noted that previously

He does not seem to be open to correction by scripture
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
I agree and Romans 16:7 says that Andronicus and Junias, were in Christ before Paul. This teaches that people come to be in Christ during their lives, not before they are born.
It doesn't say they were chosen in Christ before Paul. That happened before the foundation of the world when all the collective body of Christ were Chosen in Christ at one time. Eph 1 4
 

TomFL

Well-known member
It doesn't say they were chosen in Christ before Paul. That happened before the foundation of the world when all the collective body of Christ were Chosen in Christ at one time. Eph 1 4
Read the verse and forget your theology

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
Read the verse and forget your theology

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.

<sigh>

We can "read the verse and forget [our] theology" ten million times, and it STILL won't change the meaning of the text, and so it will STILL not make you "right".

The key word is "chosen", which is NOT found in your "proof-text".
 

TomFL

Well-known member
<sigh>

We can "read the verse and forget [our] theology" ten million times, and it STILL won't change the meaning of the text, and so it will STILL not make you "right".

The key word is "chosen", which is NOT found in your "proof-text".
The post you are addressing notes some were in Christ before Paul

Do you care to actually address the point

Romans 16:7 (KJV 1900)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.


So are you questioning it ?
 
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