Does not change the fact they were clearly noted as being separate from not in ChristWhat was meant when it was written that levi paid tithes while in the loins of Abraham? Heb 7 9 10
9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Is that concept hard to grasp? Does that mean a pre-existing Levi?
The fact remainsThe point is that God recognized a union of levi and Abraham before levi had a actual existence. Levi is of Abraham seed and in a spiritual sense believers are Christ seed Isa 53 10
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
That is the union. Christ seed were in Him.
The Ephesians Paul wrote to were Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1 4. They were in Christ then.The fact remains
The Ephesians were clearly noted as being separate from not in Christ
Eph. 2:11–12 —ESV
“uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands—
remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”
so why are you fighting scripture
Sorry they were not in ChristThe Ephesians Paul wrote to were Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1 4. They were in Christ then.
So being in Christ means having been in union with Him. And for the believe that union in Christ was before the foundation of the world.Sorry they were not in Christ
Eph. 2:11–12 —ESV
“uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands—
remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”
Do you not know what the word separate means ?So being in Christ means having been in union with Him. And for the believe that union in Christ was before the foundation of the world.
Those who were separated from Christ e Eph 2 12 were also Chosen in union with Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1 4 you should not dismiss truth like that.Do you not know what the word separate means ?
Eph. 2:11–12 —ESV
“uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands—
remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.”
Chosen for what ?Those who were separated from Christ e Eph 2 12 were also Chosen in union with Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1 4 you should not dismiss truth like that.
Those chosen in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world were Chosen in Christ for Salvation. Duh what else? Jesus Christ is the Saviour from sin. And so they were unconditionally chosen.Chosen for what ?
Not chosen to be in Christ
Not arbitrarily selected for salvation
There is no mention of unconditional election in the passage
Sorry the verse does not say thatThose chosen in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world were Chosen in Christ for Salvation. Duh what else? Jesus Christ is the Saviour from sin. And so they were unconditionally chosen.
Those who Paul was writing to in Ephesians, they were unconditionally chosen in Christ[in Him] before the foundation, before they existed on the earth. Thats why its unconditional.Sorry the verse does not say that
Eph. 1:4 —ESV
“even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love”
It does state the faithful in Christ(the us in the passage) were chosen to be holy and blameless
The faithful are those we call saved
The saved are chosen to be holy and blameless before God
Nothing at all about unconditional election in the passage
The word unconditional does not appear in the textThose who Paul was writing to in Ephesians, they were unconditionally chosen in Christ[in Him] before the foundation, before they existed on the earth. Thats why its unconditional.
Doesn't have to appear, they were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. The only condition was Gods Sovereign choice.The word unconditional does not appear in the text
and it is the faithful in Christ who are chosen to be holy and blameless
thus not unconditional
Eph. 1:4 —ESV
“even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love”
It does state the faithful in Christ(the us in the passage) were chosen to be holy and blameless
The faithful are those we call saved
The saved are chosen to be holy and blameless before God
Nothing at all about unconditional election in the passage
Sorry individuals were not chosenDoesn't have to appear, they were chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. The only condition was Gods Sovereign choice.
Sure individuals are chosen. Its not rabbits lolSorry individuals were not chosen
and unconditional election is not mentioned
and it is the faithful in Christ who are chosen to be holy and blameless
thus not unconditional
Eph. 1:4 —ESV
“even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love”
It does state the faithful in Christ(the us in the passage) were chosen to be holy and blameless
The faithful are those we call saved
The saved are chosen to be holy and blameless before God
Nothing at all about unconditional election in the passage
No it was the church (the faithful in Christ) collectively which was chosen to be holy and blamelessSure individuals are chosen. Its not rabbits lol
They were individuals and they were chosen aforetime in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 See when they were chosen, they were not in existence to do any conditions. Eph 1 4 teaches unconditional election of individuals who comprise the Church, Christs Body. But now its guaranteed that the Elect will be Faithful.No it was the church (the faithful in Christ) collectively which was chosen to be holy and blameless
No they were separated from ChristThey were individuals and they were chosen aforetime in Christ before the foundation Eph 1:4 See when they were chosen, they were not in existence to do any conditions. Eph 1 4 teaches unconditional election of individuals who comprise the Church, Christs Body. But now its guaranteed that the Elect will be Faithful.
Yes they were separated from Christ, then they were also Chosen in Union with Him before the foundation. You need to put scripture above your reason.No they were separated from Christ
Eph. 2:12 —KJV
“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”