What is meant by being in Christ?

TomFL

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The Faithful, are individual believers that had been chosen in Christ before the foundation. Eph 1 4 At that time they weren't faithful because they didn't exist yet. However everyone chosen in Christ before the foundation will become one of the faithful Rev 17 14

These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Sorry no as they could not be chosen in Christ before the foundation of the earth for they were not in Christ
 

Theo1689

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Read chapters 1& 2

Well, that's interesting...
Because when one reads the entirety of chapters 1 and 2, one quickly sees how your interpretation is completely out of context.

That's why I'm constantly asking you to EXEGETE the passages, to try to SHOW that your interpretation matches the context.
But you will never do that, of course.
You simply CLAIM your view is right, and then shift the burden of proof to ME to "prove" that your interpretation (which you have never proven in the first place) is wrong.

And since you can't demonstrate your view from the CONTEXT, that's why nobody accepts your false teachings.
Now you can use this information to modify your presentation, or you can choose not to.
The choice is yours.
 

brightfame52

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Sorry no as they could not be chosen in Christ before the foundation of the earth for they were not in Christ
They were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Eph 1 4 And as such, they were not yet faithful nor yet sealed with the Spirit after hearing the Gospel of their Salvation, because they did not yet exist.
 

TomFL

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They were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Eph 1 4 And as such, they were not yet faithful nor yet sealed with the Spirit after hearing the Gospel of their Salvation, because they did not yet exist.
The church was chosen in Christ to be holy and blameless

No verse states individuals were unconditionally selected to be in Christ
 

brightfame52

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The church was chosen in Christ to be holy and blameless

No verse states individuals were unconditionally selected to be in Christ
And since they were Chosen in Christ before the foundation, they were in a actual union with Him before the foundation. And yes it was unconditional sense they didnt actually physically exist yet to make any decision !
 

TomFL

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And since they were Chosen in Christ before the foundation, they were in a actual union with Him before the foundation. And yes it was unconditional sense they didnt actually physically exist yet to make any decision !
Sorry no

They were not in union with him

Eph. 2:12 —KJV
“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”

they were without him
 

brightfame52

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Sorry no

They were not in union with him

Eph. 2:12 —KJV
“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”

they were without him
Yes, they could not have met any conditions if they did not exist. This choosing of them in Christ was before the foundation of the world
 

TomFL

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Yes, they could not have met any conditions if they did not exist. This choosing of them in Christ was before the foundation of the world

They could not be chosen in Christ if they were not in Christ

God chose The church collectively to be holy and blameless before him in love
 

TomFL

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What conditions could they have met, done before the foundation, before they existed ?
None

But the verse does not speak of individual men but of the church collectively

As Christ was elect before the foundation of the earth

so also the church was elect in him
 

TomFL

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Okay their election was unconditional. That's simple.
Nope men are in Christ when they believe

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

that is a condition
 

brightfame52

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Nope men are in Christ when they believe

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

that is a condition
Well men must be in Christ to believe. That means mean outside of Christ can't believe.

Now men who will believe, they were in Christ Chosen in Him by God, before the foundation of the world. That also means unconditional election in Christ.
 

brightfame52

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None

But the verse does not speak of individual men but of the church collectively

As Christ was elect before the foundation of the earth

so also the church was elect in him
Right and you don't understand how and why lol. The Church of Christ, all the individual members that constitutes His Body, were Chosen in Christ, together with Him their Head.So if you admit Christ the head was Chosen before the foundation, you can't dismiss His Body with all it's members.
 

TomFL

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Right and you don't understand how and why lol. The Church of Christ, all the individual members that constitutes His Body, were Chosen in Christ, together with Him their Head.So if you admit Christ the head was Chosen before the foundation, you can't dismiss His Body with all it's members.
Not until they believe

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
 

TomFL

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Well men must be in Christ to believe. That means mean outside of Christ can't believe.

Now men who will believe, they were in Christ Chosen in Him by God, before the foundation of the world. That also means unconditional election in Christ.
The church was selected before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless
 

brightfame52

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Not until they believe

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

Not until they believe

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
They were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.
 

TomFL

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They were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world.
They were not in Christ

Eph. 2:12 —KJV
“That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:”
 
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