What is Messianic Judaism

Anthony

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Who does “the descendants of Jacob” refer to?

A) biological descendants of Jacob
B) maternal descendants of women who converted to Judaism

I say A.
True believers are biological descendents of Abraham.

The northern kingdom/house of Israel was dispersed since their Assyrian captivity. However, some of the tribes of Israel did walk over to the southern house of Judah seeing the apostasy in Israel.
Samaritans were cut off from their Judean brethren as they were considered apostates being mixed with gentiles.

But Israel would be reconciled with Judah under new covenant as prophesied in Hosea Ch 1.

Even Yahusha/Yeshua said He came to seek His lost sheep from the house of Israel.

Israel was scattered around Greek speaking nations and later throughout the world. They lost their ethnic identity and hence they are known as wild olive Tree from which branches were grafted among the natural olive branches.
 

Furion

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Furion, lets be honest. He said he loved the Messiah, and you knew when he said that , that he was not talking about Jesus.
I will be honest, I didn't assume so I asked.

The poster appears to just be a follower of Judaism., Which puts his comments about Christ Jesus into perspective. Now that poster spends time opposing Christ.

Let's be honest. :)
 

Jewjitzu

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I will be honest, I didn't assume so I asked.
I ain't Christian.

The poster appears to just be a follower of Judaism.,
Not follower, Jewish.

Which puts his comments about Christ Jesus into perspective. Now that poster spends time opposing Christ.

Let's be honest. :)
I oppose false prophets, teachers, messiahs, gods, religion. All of which I think is encapsulated into Christianity.

I'm being honest ;)
 

Furion

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I ain't Christian.


Not follower, Jewish.


I oppose false prophets, teachers, messiahs, gods, religion. All of which I think is encapsulated into Christianity.

I'm being honest ;)
Yes, anti-Christ, or anti-Messiah if you prefer. In your case the latter seems more appropriate.

I mean don't be scared. The scriptures say that about people who deny Christ.

Many Jews believe in messiah, many do not.

Nothing's changed since the day it was declared those who deny Christ are anti-Christ.
 

Jewjitzu

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Yes, anti-Christ, or anti-Messiah if you prefer. In your case the latter seems more appropriate.
I'm not anti-messiah. He'd have to come first. Also, the idea of Messiah is to bring God's sovereignty on earth, and a knowledge of God. That hasn't happened.

I mean don't be scared. The scriptures say that about people who deny Christ.
I'm not scared. We can identify false teachers when we seem them.

Many Jews believe in messiah, many do not.
Most Jews believe in the person of Messiah. We just argue on when he will come.

Nothing's changed since the day it was declared those who deny Christ are anti-Christ.
That's what the cultists say when they're pushed to the corner and can't support their stance.
 

Furion

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I'm not anti-messiah. He'd have to come first. Also, the idea of Messiah is to bring God's sovereignty on earth, and a knowledge of God. That hasn't happened.


I'm not scared. We can identify false teachers when we seem them.


Most Jews believe in the person of Messiah. We just argue on when he will come.


That's what the cultists say when they're pushed to the corner and can't support their stance.
There is nothing for me to address or support.

We have you and what you say, and we have the scriptures.
 

Anthony

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Yes, anti-Christ, or anti-Messiah if you prefer. In your case the latter seems more appropriate.

I mean don't be scared. The scriptures say that about people who deny Christ.

Many Jews believe in messiah, many do not.

Nothing's changed since the day it was declared those who deny Christ are anti-Christ.
Denying Christ is the order of the world. John says:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
 

Jewjitzu

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Denying Christ is the order of the world. John says:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Interesting... of course Jesus was flesh, and he died too.

The man of lawlessness is associated with the antichrist. This is Paul. And those that follow.
 

Anthony

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How are you descendants of Abraham?
Dispersion of Northern kingdom.

Since you don't believe NT writings how will you understand?

Heb 8: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

Regards to Abraham becoming father of many nations:

Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off...

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
 

Anthony

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Interesting... of course Jesus was flesh, and he died too.

The man of lawlessness is associated with the antichrist. This is Paul. And those that follow.
Nonsense! You don't understand Paul's writings just as majority of Christendom don't understand.

Paul didn't teach against Torah but against Jews who teach keeping of Torah for salvation as no man can be justified by the works of Torah without the faith in Christ. The works followd the faith.
 

Jewjitzu

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Dispersion of Northern kingdom.

Since you don't believe NT writings how will you understand?
How are you tied to the Northern kingdom?

Heb 8: 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 shows the same laws written on the hearts and minds of the houses of Israel and Judah. Neither of which are the church.

Regards to Abraham becoming father of many nations:

Heb 11:11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

12 Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
Yes, each of the tribes of Israel are referred to as a nation.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off...

Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Yes, then gentiles weren't the focus.

Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Yes, a reference to Israel, not gentiles.
 

Jewjitzu

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Nonsense! You don't understand Paul's writings just as majority of Christendom don't understand.
Nonsense. Paul let's you sacrifice and eat idol and unclean foods.

Paul didn't teach against Torah but against Jews who teach keeping of Torah for salvation as no man can be justified by the works of Torah without the faith in Christ. The works followd the faith.
And yet you justify Jesus righteousness by his keeping the law. You see how contradictory your stance is?
 

Anthony

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How are you tied to the Northern kingdom?


Jeremiah 31:31-34 shows the same laws written on the hearts and minds of the houses of Israel and Judah. Neither of which are the church.


Yes, each of the tribes of Israel are referred to as a nation.


Yes, then gentiles weren't the focus.


Yes, a reference to Israel, not gentiles.
Don't mix these scriptures with Christianity as it doesn't exist in the scriptures. Christianity is a religion not taught by The Messiah.
 
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