What is Messianic Judaism

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Jewjitzu said:
Go for it.
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I was listening to Prager a while ago and a caller was arguing that physical deformities are actually a blessing
in contrast, Dennis was suggesting God creating a World with, like...bad stuff, was a mystery

there was no mention of Sin being an issue or explanation for why God is allowing bad stuff to occur in Creation
I've wondered why Sin isn't much an issue in some expressions of Judaism (?)
 
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American Gothic said:
I was listening to Prager a while ago and a caller was arguing that physical deformities are actually a blessing
in contrast, Dennis was suggesting God creating a World with, like...bad stuff, was a mystery
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Yeah. Dennis is different in his rational approach. I don't know the context so I can't discuss one way or the other.

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there was no mention of Sin being an issue or explanation for why God is allowing bad stuff to occur in Creation
I've wondered why Sin isn't much an issue in some expressions of Judaism (?)
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Most of Judaism doesn't see original sin as an issue. And creation with its physical attributes is meant to be perishable unless an outside force influences it.

We see live as a progress in perfection. That's the ultimate goal, with knowledge of God reigning supreme.
 
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7 weeks and 62 weeks (of years) v. 25
483 years x 360 calendar days
=
173880 prophetic days to the "cut off"

hmmmm, we will have to convert this to our calendar...
 
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I use a Dead Sea Scroll calendar scheme https://dsscalendar.org/DSS-Greg.php?Y=2022

360 days a year on the Calendar (12months x 30)...the 4 Tekufah and I think any leap weeks don't count
7+62 = 69 weeks of years to the "cut off"

69 x 7 = 483 years
483 years x 360 days each = 173,880 prophetic days

173,880 prophetic days on our calendar is...
173,880 divided by 365.25 = 476.0575 years
.0575 x 365.25 = 21
...so 476years and 21 days

Artaxerxes decree concerning the Wall is in his 20th year/month of Nisan (Nehemiah 2)
I've read somewhere he started reign in July and Wikipedia says 465BC...
the decree would be in Nisan
so I think sometime in March 444BC (still his 20th year)

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can only try to get close as best I can
I don't know what specific day to start with in March 444BC
will use the 16th

476 years from March 16, 444BC...March 16, 32AD
add 21 days goes to
April 6, 32AD (?)

Dead Sea Scroll 11Q13
"...for He will cast their lot amid the portions of Melchizedek, who will return them there and will proclaim to them liberty, forgiving them the wrong-doings of all their iniquities. And this thing will occur in the first week of the Jubilee that follows the nine Jubilees."

11Q13 - Wikipedia

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this is to happen in the first Shemita of Jubilee 10
around 32AD is the 7th/last year of that first week of years
S1 3957AM 32AD (?)
https://dsscalendar.org/o/o8.html scroll down to bottom

Passover, Nisan 32AD (?)
not sure if it's Nisan 14th or the 15th Matthew 26:17
 
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Was Jesus Really a Jew?

There was a time when Jews and Christians were much more mixed up with each other than they are now, writes Daniel Boyarin. In ancient days, there were Jews who believed in something quite like the Trinity and even in something quite like the incarnation of the Messiah. There was also a time...
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www.beliefnet.com

Was Jesus Really a Jew?

There was a time when Jews and Christians were much more mixed up with each other than they are now, writes Daniel Boyarin. In ancient days, there were Jews who believed in something quite like the Trinity and even in something quite like the incarnation of the Messiah. There was also a time...
www.beliefnet.com www.beliefnet.com
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Gross... this guy is so anti-Israel, pro BDS, etc., I can't take him seriously.
 
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this guy is so anti-Israel, pro BDS, etc.,
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hmmm, know nothing about him...

Daniel Boyarin - Wikipedia

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"Goddard College, the Jewish Theological Seminary, and Columbia University...He has taught at Beun Gunion University of the Negev,
the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Bar-Ilan University, Yale, Harvard, Yeshiva University, and University of California at Berkeley.."

Eww..yeah,
maybe should have been posted on the Judaism forum instead... :confused:
 
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hmmm, know nothing about him...

Daniel Boyarin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

"Goddard College, the Jewish Theological Seminary, and Columbia University...He has taught at Beun Gunion University of the Negev,
the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Bar-Ilan University, Yale, Harvard, Yeshiva University, and University of California at Berkeley.."

Eww..yeah,
maybe should have been posted on the Judaism forum instead... :confused:
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That would have given more clout in my book ;)
 
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God Predicts the Messianic Kingdom

"And the Lord said unto Moses,
'I know their contrariness and their thoughts and their stiff-neckedness, and they
will not be obedient 'til they confess their own sin and the sin of their fathers.
And after this they will turn to Me in all uprightness and with all their heart and
with all their soul, and I shall circumcise the foreskin of their heart and the
foreskin of their seed, and I shall create in them a holy spirit, and I shall cleanse
them so that they shall not turn away from Me from that day unto eternity.
And their souls shall cleave to Me and to all my commandments, and they will
fulfill my commandments, and I shall be their Father and they shall be My children.

And they shall be called children of the living God, and every angel and
every spirit will know, yea, they will know that these are My children, and that
I am their Father in uprightness and righteousness, and that I love them.'"
- book of Jubilees
 
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"And the Lord will appear to the eyes of all, and all will know that
I am the God of Israel and the Father of all the children of Jacob
and King on Mount Zion for all eternity.
And Zion and Jerusalem shall be Holy."
- book of Jubilees
 
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1. Jesus is superior to all the prophets and angels
2. Jesus is superior to all men
3. Jesus is superior to Moses
4. Jesus brings a rest superior to the Sabbath
5. Jesus is superior to the Levitical priesthood
6. Jesus is of the order of Melchizedek priests
7. Jesus brings a new covenant that is superior to the Mosaic covenant
8. the Heavenly tabernacle is superior to the Earthly tabernacle
9. Jesus' one time sacrifice is superior to the sacrifices of all the bulls and goats
10. don't reject the Messiah
- book of Hebrews
 
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the Three Fold witness

"There are three points of our Faith that the Lord has ordained
that we have full knowledge of:
the hope of eternal Life,
the world's true history,
and prophecy."
- epistle of Barnabas
 
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"What (Sabbath) teaches us is this -
God ended all of creation in 6 days. This is a typological prophecy
showing that in six thousand years the Lord will bring things to
an end; for a day is like a thousand years with Him.

Therefore children, in six days, or in six thousand years
the prophecies will be fulfilled.
Then it says, 'He rested on the seventh day.' Genesis 2
This signifies the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ...

then He will truly be able to rest during the Millennial reign,
which is the seventh day."
- epistle of Barnabas

at present, no one is able to completely keep the Sabbath with pure heart Psalms 24
and Barnabas says if we think we can we are deceiving ourselves
that can only be possible when we have no more Sin nature

The eighth day typifies/will be the start of the Eternal state/Kingdom
 
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