What is the salvific effect of the Cross?

really? is there any limited to the number of people Jesus' sacrifice can save?
Of course not: There is no limit,
If all 8,000,000,000 on earth accepted the God given gift of faith : Jesus' sacrificial death on the Cross would cover it
So the effects of Jesus propitiatory death are only 'activated' by the acceptance of faith in Him, right?
 
soooo: propitiation happened after the Last Supper ; while Christ was on the Cross
Again, I don't understand what is so difficult here.

The Last Supper is the cross, Sacramentally. In other words, the Cross was present in Sacramental form.

God does not require a DeLorean with a Flux Capacitor to make future events present in the past, sir.
 
Again, I don't understand what is so difficult here.

The Last Supper is the cross, Sacramentally. In other words, the Cross was present in Sacramental form.

God does not require a DeLorean with a Flux Capacitor to make future events present in the past, sir.
Amazing how God didn't have Him driving one at the time. It still would not make the LS the cross. Time travel is linear.
Still no proof for the false teachings of the RCC, other than you are showing one of the reasons why I left the RCC. It is not because RCs are humble.
 
. . . a continuation of this remembrance in an unbloody way. . . .
What the Roman Church of Catholicism teaches is that the Eucharist is an unbloody sacrifice in which Jesus Christ is actually immolated or offered as the victim. The term Host is derived from the Latin word for victim. Therefore the offering of the Host is the perpetuation of the sacrifice of Christ in an unbloody manner to make satisfaction for sins. Yet the Bible clearly states succinctly that there is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood:

"Without shedding of blood is no remission." Hebrews 9:22

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls" for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." (Leviticus 17:11)

So what is really being offered to God in a sacrificial Roman Catholic Mass?
Is it bread and wine that is being offered to God, or is it Jesus Christ that is being offered to God?
 
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What the Roman Church of Catholicism teaches is that the Eucharist is an unbloody sacrifice in which Jesus Christ is actually immolated or offered as the victim. The term Host is derived from the Latin word for victim. Therefore the offering of the Host is the perpetuation of the sacrifice of Christ in an unbloody manner to make satisfaction for sins. Yet the Bible clearly states succinctly that there is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood:

"Without shedding of blood is no remission." Hebrews 9:22

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls" for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." (Leviticus 17:11)

So what is really being offered to God in a sacrificial Roman Catholic Mass?
Is it bread and wine that is being offered to God, or is it Jesus Christ that is being offered to God?
And while they are at it they can explain how the risen Christ got on the cross in the first place; ccc 1392.
 
And while they are at it they can explain how the risen Christ got on the cross in the first place; ccc 1392.
Yeah!!! Furthermore, in Holy Scripture, we NEVER find mention of bread or wine as a sacrifice. And, at the Last Supper, the Lord took bread and wine at a table, not on an ALTAR. In the Bible, sacrifices were made on an altar, and God commanded the Jews that there was to be only one altar. Certainly Jesus' Jewish disciples knew this. As God, Jesus would not contradict Himself. Tables are for eathing, altars are for sacrificing.

A side note, just a bit off topic: Some may have seen this monstrosity of an 'altar' inside the newest huge basicilica in Los Angeles, California, dedicated to [Roman Catholic] Mary. It is said that the "altar" is big enough to slaughter 2 large cows on it.
 
Again, I don't understand what is so difficult here.

The Last Supper is the cross, Sacramentally. In other words, the Cross was present in Sacramental form.

God does not require a DeLorean with a Flux Capacitor to make future events present in the past, sir.
What makes it so difficult is the false teaching of romanism. It really is simple. But romanists "choke on a gnat and swallow a camel".
 
What the Roman Church of Catholicism teaches is that the Eucharist is an unbloody sacrifice in which Jesus Christ is actually immolated or offered as the victim. The term Host is derived from the Latin word for victim. Therefore the offering of the Host is the perpetuation of the sacrifice of Christ in an unbloody manner to make satisfaction for sins. Yet the Bible clearly states succinctly that there is no forgiveness of sin without the shedding of blood:

"Without shedding of blood is no remission." Hebrews 9:22

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls" for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul." (Leviticus 17:11)

So what is really being offered to God in a sacrificial Roman Catholic Mass?
Is it bread and wine that is being offered to God, or is it Jesus Christ that is being offered to God?
Why would we offer bread and wine, the fruit of the ground, to God? Cain made that same mistake.

Genesis 4:3-5, "In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel for his part brought of the firstlings of his flock, their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell."
 
Why would we offer bread and wine, the fruit of the ground, to God? Cain made that same mistake.

Genesis 4:3-5, "In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, and Abel for his part brought of the firstlings of his flock, their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell."
we don't need to offer any sacrifices to God.
the sacrificial system is done:
WE DO NOT OFFER SACRIFICES TO GOD.
You have misrepresented our views AGAIN

see Strawman argument
 
my views??
Cain was prior to the the New Covenant
Are YOU seriously claiming we are to offer sacrifices to God under the New Covenant?

Yes that is what Jesus was doing at the Last Supper with his disciples, instituting the new sacrifice - his sacrifice that he was going to accomplish on the cross. That is what we do at the Mass. Offer up to God the sacrifice that Jesus accomplished on the cross for us - the same sacrifice in an unbloody manor.
 
Yes that is what Jesus was doing at the Last Supper with his disciples, instituting the new sacrifice - his sacrifice that he was going to accomplish on the cross. That is what we do at the Mass. Offer up to God the sacrifice that Jesus accomplished on the cross for us - the same sacrifice in an unbloody manor.
WE do NOT offer up to God any sacrifice!!!
 
Yes that is what Jesus was doing at the Last Supper with his disciples, instituting the new sacrifice - his sacrifice that he was going to accomplish on the cross. That is what we do at the Mass. Offer up to God the sacrifice that Jesus accomplished on the cross for us - the same sacrifice in an unbloody manor.
That is false. The Eucharist is sacramental, not sacrificial. Jesus offered Himself ONCE on Calvary's cross. He died ONCE, having made purgation for sins, and now sits at the right hand of the Father. His one-time sacrifice of Himself on the cross covers everyone from all ages--past, present, and future.


12 But when Christ[b] had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.
 
That is false. The Eucharist is sacramental, not sacrificial. Jesus offered Himself ONCE on Calvary's cross. He died ONCE, having made purgation for sins, and now sits at the right hand of the Father. His one-time sacrifice of Himself on the cross covers everyone from all ages--past, present, and future.

Yes it is a single sacrifice for sins. That is what we believe.
 
Again, I don't understand what is so difficult here.

The Last Supper is the cross, Sacramentally. In other words, the Cross was present in Sacramental form.

But Catholicism makes it a sacrifice. They keep resacrificing Jesus in their Mass. Jesus died ONCE. Jesus offered a single sacrifice of Himself for the sins of the whole world.
God does not require a DeLorean with a Flux Capacitor to make future events present in the past, sir.
No, but then, what Catholics need to do is actually believe the clear scriptural witness--that Jesus died ONCE for ALL time, a single sacrifice, never to be repeated.

From Hebrews 10:
12 But when Christ[b] had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

Why won't you believe this clear Scriptural witness? I know--what your popes and magisterium teach is more important to Catholics than what the Bible actually says.

A single sacrifice for ALL time. Not over and over and over again in the Eucharist.
 
Of course not! Jesus died ONCE for ALL of us for ALL time. No need to repeat it at the Lord's Supper. It is sacramental, not sacrificial.
It is the same sacrifice. That is what Jesus said, "Drink from it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins."

The contents of the cup, the wine, is his blood of the covenant that is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
 
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