What is the salvific effect of today's Mass?

In regards to the overall relationship, is reading the Bible daily more or less effective than the daily communion or 1Cor 13?
See--this is so typical of Protestants. Once again, you attempt to play things off of each other and make everything zero sum.

They are BOTH effective just in different ways. WHY does it have to be one or the other? Why do you have to play things off each other and reduce everything to zero sum? This is just more evidence of you one dimensional theological system--devoid of color, character, depth, substance, etc. Protestant theology is so sterile. It is vapid.

Protestantism is what happens when Catholicism is whitewashed.

In the Bible we read about Christ and encounter Christ in WORD. In the Eucharist, we encounter one and the same Christ in SACRAMENT. They are BOTH important. The Scriptures lead to a deeper desire and appreciation for Christ in Sacrament, and Christ in Sacrament leads to a deeper knowledge and appreciation for Christ in WORD.

What is it with you people?
 
In regards to the overall relationship, is reading the Bible daily more or less effective than the daily communion or 1Cor 13?
See--this is so typical of Protestants. Once again, you attempt to play things off of each other and make everything zero sum.

They are BOTH effective just in different ways. ...
They are diametrically opposed; Reading the Bible comes from God, Eucharist comes from RCC.
 
In regards to the overall relationship, is reading the Bible daily more or less effective than the daily communion or 1Cor 13?

They are diametrically opposed; Reading the Bible comes from God,
Correct. The Bible is God's Word.
Eucharist comes from RCC.
Incorrect. The Eucharist also comes from God. The RCC has the Eucharist becasue God instituted the Eucharist and commanded that the Eucharist be celebrated as a living memorial of the Passion, death, and resurrection of Christ.
 
Sanctification of believers, spiritual health and spiritual nourishment.

Salvation comes at Baptism. The purpose of the Mass is for spiritual nourishment, sanctification, and the maintain spiritual health.

Thus, by not attending Mass--your salvation is not affected since it does not undo your baptism. You still have a relationship with Jesus.

However, attendance at Mass on Sundays and Holidays is necessary. Intentionally missing Mass on these days is a Mortal Sin.

The Mass is the renewal of the covenant. Asking "How is one's salvation affected by not going to Mass" is like asking "If a husband and wife never kiss, or otherwise have any physical signs of love for each other, how is their relationship affected?" Does that undo the marriage? No. But a marriage without physical signs of love--well, you have to ask yourself how healthy the relationship is.

A Catholic who never wants to go to Mass--you have to ask yourself--how healthy and strong is their relationship with Jesus if they never want to go to Mass?

You mean like on Good Friday--when no Mass is celebrated anywhere in the world? You mean like that?

Depends on what you mean "affected." See above.

Again, the purpose of the Mass is for spiritual nourishment and spiritual health.
So how does mass provide nourishment and spiritual health for those who are dead, for whom masses are dedicated to them? I guess it's all on how a person worships a piece of bread made in in a bakery in New Jersey or somewhere?
 
As a memorial yes. As a sacrifice, no.
Yeah except you don't understand what is meant by "memorial."

A "memorial" in the Biblical sense does not just mean "Come together, do these ritual actions and in so doing call to mind what Christ did."

In the Biblical sense, "memorial" means "Come together, do these ritual actions and in so doing, the reality to which they point is made present."
 
So how does mass provide nourishment and spiritual health for those who are dead, for whom masses are dedicated to them?
It doesn't. Perhaps I misspoke.

The EUCHARIST is spiritual nourishment. The Mass is the sacramental presentation of the sacrifice of Christ, and our participation in it, of which the Eucharist is the fruit.
I guess it's all on how a person worships a piece of bread made in in a bakery in New Jersey or somewhere?
I wouldn't know. We do not worship a piece of bread.
 
Eucharist comes from RCC.

Memorial of his once Passion, death, resurrection;
The "once for all" was the presentation of the Sacrifice according to earthly flesh on the cross. That was unique.
not immolation thousands of times every day.
Yeah---the Nominalist metaphysical system in which Protestant theology depends so heavily--would see the Mass as thousands of sacrifices daily rather than a participation it the ONE sacrifice of Christ.
 
Yeah except you don't understand what is meant by "memorial."

A "memorial" in the Biblical sense does not just mean "Come together, do these ritual actions and in so doing call to mind what Christ did."

In the Biblical sense, "memorial" means "Come together, do these ritual actions and in so doing, the reality to which they point is made present."
Source or opinion? Or do you just make this up as you go along?
 
See--this is so typical of Protestants. Once again, you attempt to play things off of each other and make everything zero sum.

They are BOTH effective just in different ways. WHY does it have to be one or the other? Why do you have to play things off each other and reduce everything to zero sum? This is just more evidence of you one dimensional theological system--devoid of color, character, depth, substance, etc. Protestant theology is so sterile. It is vapid.

Protestantism is what happens when Catholicism is whitewashed.

In the Bible we read about Christ and encounter Christ in WORD. In the Eucharist, we encounter one and the same Christ in SACRAMENT. They are BOTH important. The Scriptures lead to a deeper desire and appreciation for Christ in Sacrament, and Christ in Sacrament leads to a deeper knowledge and appreciation for Christ in WORD.

What is it with you people?
No that is the RC way they play things off each other to reduce what Jesus did for us on the cross, they prefer to promote what they can do. This si so typical of RCs.

Yep that is true the RCC has whitewashed its history, it is done by the RCs and not by non RCs. Well done for pointing out that the RCC whitewashes. But you blamed others for doing what your institution does.

What is it with RCs? You people is just rude and shows once again RCs do not understand what love your neighbour really means.
 
The "once for all" was the presentation of the Sacrifice according to earthly flesh on the cross. That was unique.

Yeah---the Nominalist metaphysical system in which Protestant theology depends so heavily--would see the Mass as thousands of sacrifices daily rather than a participation it the ONE sacrifice of Christ.
No RCs like to false version diminishes the cross, has Jesus breaking commandments and all without any evidence. Which is a joke because when they declare someone a saint they demand evidence of said miracles.
 
Correct. The Bible is God's Word.

Incorrect. The Eucharist also comes from God. The RCC has the Eucharist becasue God instituted the Eucharist and commanded that the Eucharist be celebrated as a living memorial of the Passion, death, and resurrection of Christ.
The scriptures are the word of God is correct. It is a shame that RCs have belittled it in their posts. It is shame the misinterprete it, it is a shame they ignore verses like the scriptural requirements for leaders, 1 Cor 5:11 etc. Most have show disrespect for the word of God and ignoring passages shows contempt for His word.

God meant the communion as a commenoration, there is no evidence of it changing into the real presence. LOL at the fact the chalices are washed in the special sink so none of the remanents go through the sewerage system, but it is fine to send it through the bodies disposal system.
 
So how does mass provide nourishment and spiritual health for those who are dead, for whom masses are dedicated to them? I guess it's all on how a person worships a piece of bread made in in a bakery in New Jersey or somewhere?
Yes we have seen how it provided nourishment and spiritual health for all those RC leaders who commit sexual sins, who hide sin for a start. I know RC laity who go to mediums etc and they go to communion. There is no evidence of what the poster claims.

So your questions are valid.
 
Yeah except you don't understand what is meant by "memorial."

A "memorial" in the Biblical sense does not just mean "Come together, do these ritual actions and in so doing call to mind what Christ did."

In the Biblical sense, "memorial" means "Come together, do these ritual actions and in so doing, the reality to which they point is made present."
Oh more RCs changing word meanings to suit their false beliefs.
 
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