Hmm....Depends how you do it. Confirmation bias isn't about learning new things and examining them. Its about HOW you gather evidence and HOW you weigh evidence.
So, is reading an acceptable method of gathering evidence? Or is that confirmation bias?
Is taking the time to apply the information contained in the reading materials, to take the practical elements, and apply them, is that an acceptable method of gathering evidence, or is that confirmation bias?
Is taking the time to consider the results of what I'd applied, an acceptable method of weighing the evidence, or is that confirmation bias?
Because if that's all confirmation bias, then it seems to me that all of life's experiences--- growing up, learning, living, etc.... are cases of confirmation bias. College education, employment, cooking, driving, playing games, and numerous other life-activities included.
So, if this is really what you believe is confirmation bias, I find myself wondering if it's not you who has the problem.
And this is evidence that you think educating one's self, and taking the time to learn is in fact what you believe is confirmation bias.We've told you what confirmation bias is. Your initial post suggested that your approach was prone to confirmation bias. So far, I haven't read a response that shows you have a glimmer of understanding the topic. No offense, but the point I rasied is very easily dealt with.
then it seems to me that atheists are the ones who are practicing confirmation bias with regards to the bible, and biblical Christianity.Atheists are as prone to confirmation bias as any, in my opinion, and no one here has claimed that atheists are immune to it.
Because the christianity I've been learning about for the past 44 years is nothing like the christianity I grew up with as a child. The God I read about in the bible is far more gracious, loving, caring, and involved than the one I grew up with as a child.
the only miracles I heard about growing up were the ones in the bible, and an occasional one with Fatima, and one or two others.
Everything I've learned, I've learned by reading, and doing, instead of what someone else told me.
I think there is.So there isn't a lot of irony going around here in that regard.
You guys--- as a whole--- promote ideas, opinions, beliefs, etc.... about the bible which are totally contrary to the biblical narrative, and then when we explain to you the truth, and provide biblical items to support our points, you go off on tirades saying that such things are not true, and spend hours arguing in support of your opinions, beliefs, and ideas, with nothing but your own beliefs regarding them.
And when asked where you get these things from, you can offer nothing to support them, or provide vague, singular references, and build entire belief systems on those singular references.
So.... yeah.... I see loads of irony.
Indeed.... it's curious that Paul, indeed, the Law states this tendency....However, such bias is a normal psychological tendency of human beings in general, and like most forms of bias people are much better at spotting it in others than in themselves.
1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. 2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? 4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: 7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
Back in the old days, when non-christians liked quoting Matthew 7:1 about not judging another, the phrase---- that finger you're pointing at me... it has 3 fingers pointing back at you-- became quite common. It often resulted in their stopping, turning their hand over, and seeing their other 3 fingers held against their hand, actually pointing back at them. This then resulted in other hand gestures, so they could try to avoid culpability of their "finger pointing" practices.
What's curious is that if you guys really believe that others are guilty of confirmation bias, but unwilling to acknowledge it in yourself until someone stops long enough to call you to the carpet about it, and then fumble all over yourself trying to justify yours, then just what do you think you're going to accomplish here?
I am very sure I have been wrong in the past because of it, and I will be again. But even if I am a horrible, terrible, no-good hypocrite for pointing out that what you initially posted was a method prone to such bias, this does not mean that I am wrong. It means that I'm a hypocrite. OK, I'm a hypocrite. Now: how would you guard your method of ascertaining the truth against confirmation bias? This isn't a trap. It's a straightforward question.
Where I come from, educating one's self is a high honor, and to be lauded. I grew up in an era when people who had a library of their own were looked up to, and would often loan out their books, to encourage others to take the t ime to learn, and grow in understanding.
the practice I see with atheists here--- learning is only applauded when the conclusion of the learning is the same as the atheists' conclusions.
If someone comes to another conclusion, which differs from that of the atheist---- GASP! inconceivable! How could you! How DARE you! but..... butt..... butt....... It's not possible that .......
I'd like to say it's amusing to see you guys falling all over yourselves claiming that we've experienced and are practicing confirmation bias, but I think it's insulting..... not to me, but to yourselves. I see a bunch of self-professed-intellectuals, beating themselves with semantic bats, while claiming we're the beaters.
So, let's do it this way.
At this point, my "confirmation bias" is that I read. And I work through applying what I read, because the bible says that the only way to know if what it's saying is true is by doing what it's talking about.
My "confirmation bias" (CB) is that I apply what the bible says to do, in order to know whether what it says is true, or if I'm just practicing--- confirmation bias.
It seems to me that it's atheists are the principal practitioners of CB because they do nothing but give excuses for why none of the bible is true, concoct stories, ideas, beliefs about the bible with nothing more than a single verse, or maybe even a handful of verses, which when put to the test fall apart, but they refuse to acknowledge their thinking is flawed, and instead, double down. they argue the thousand "what if's", providing evident of the truth of the passage--- the eyes of the fool roam to the ends of the earth, but the wise man focuses on what's in front of him.
So..... if you want to be taken seriously, then stop giving us all the what if's.
For those among us who've been following JEsus for more than a decade or two, we've already face a lot of them, have worked through them, or are presently working through them, and have satisfactorily resolved them.
For those among us who have been at this for several decades, we're scratching our heads wondering where you've been.
Biblical directives for knowing the truth are as practical as those directives used by craftsmen in their trades/professions.
We're handed a project, perhaps a set of plans, and told to get it done, in time, and under budget.
Those who are more experienced follow the long-standing practices/habits, and actions of the respective craft.
An outsider telling them they are doing it wrong only raises one question----
ok, what's your basis for telling me this? Are you a trained/skilled craftsman in this trade?
If your answer is no, then you'll be laughed out of the room, and off the project.