What kind of bread is epiousios?

Jesus founded the true Church WHICH LUTHER LEFT.

No, He did NOT, and Luther did not leave the RCC, he was excommunicated--remember? And made an outlaw, for choosing to obey God rather than men.
The Church that Jesus started had a supernatural origin in Christ, a supernatural infilling of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, a supernatural commission to make disciples of ALL nations, given a supernatural food in the Eucharist to sustain the life of the soul, supernatural authority to bind and loose and a supernatural promise that the gates of hell would not prevail against it.

Your church went off the rails of truth centuries ago, "teaching for doctrine the precepts of men". It no longer has any authority to do anything, for teaching false doctrines.
These (and more) are only in the Catholic Church that Jesus established.

Baloney from the Catholic deli--Jesus no more founded your church than He did Islam.
There is no supernatural quality in Protestant churches. They are all of human origin.
MORE baloney from the Catholic deli! Jesus said that wherever 2 or three are gathered in His Name, He is there in their midst. And we do--He is in our midst, for we gather together to pray, praise, sing, and give thanks to God in the name of Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
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No, everything we teach comes from God.
This would be funny, if it were not so sad.

Indulgences, Mariology, praying to saints dead in the Lord as one would to God, Purgatory, celibate, unmarried clergy, etc. did NOT come from God, but from the spirit of error. These are lies--who is the father of lies, ding?
 
Nothing God teaches goes against scripture. RCC teachings, doctrines and actions goes against scripture. God will NEVER go against what He had writtten in scripture.

Great, so God doesn't teach that a person is justified by faith alone and not by works since scripture says that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
 
Great, so God doesn't teach that a person is justified by faith alone and not by works since scripture says that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Again twisting my posts, no surprise at all. RCs love to boast about their works based salvation. God is very clear in Ephesians that we are saved by grace through faith and NOT by works.

Eph 2:8+

8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.

These are the very explicit words of scripture. So what else is needed. That verse is clear, simply written. When one is saved we are changed by God. First salvation by grace through faith, nothing else. We do not give ourselves the mind of Christ, we do not write His word on our hearts.

This verse does not go against scriptures. We could never be saved by works, our works are like filthy rags according to scripture. So once again showing your lack of understanding of what I posted and what is in scripture.
 
Great, so God doesn't teach that a person is justified by faith alone and not by works since scripture says that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
yep : a person is vindicated (to others) by works and not by mere mental assent alone

from faithful, knowledgeable, Church-loving, Catholic apoplecticist Jimmy Akin
"that Catholics can also accept the formula of justification sola fide (by faith alone), provided this phrase is properly understood.
Thus the position being condemned is the idea that we are justified by intellectual assent alone (as per James 2).
if the term faith is being used to refer to faith formed by charity then the Catholic accepts the idea of justification by faith alone."

from faithful, knowledgeable, Church-loving, Catholic Author Peter Kreeft
quote
"How do I resolve the Reformation?
Is it faith alone that justifies, or is it faith and works?
Very simple. No tricks.
On this issue I believe Luther was simply right; and this issue is absolutely crucial.
As a Catholic I feel guilt for the tragedy of Christian disunity because the church in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries was failing to preach the gospel.
Whatever theological mistakes Luther made, whatever indispensable truths about the Church he denied, here is an indispensable truth he affirmed — indispensable to union between all sinners and God and union between God’s separated Catholic and Protestant children."
end quote

Pope Francis
Nowadays, Lutherans and Catholics, and all Protestants, are in agreement on the doctrine of justification: on this very important point he (Luther) was not mistaken.

Pope Benedict XVI
“Luther’s expression sola fide is true
if
faith is not opposed to charity, to love” (Wednesday Audience, Nov. 19, 2008).

Faith is NOT opposed to charity, to love
THEREFORE sola fide is true
 
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Great, so God doesn't teach that a person is justified by faith alone and not by works since scripture says that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Quoted out of context, as usual. Paul said neither works of the Law OR works done in righteousness--good works, right?--save us, but God's mercy! So, what is there left to be saved by?

Now, reconcile that with James 2:24. I can--can you? So can Theo1689, to a Mormon. This response is even better than another one from him that I linked to earlier on here:

 
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Quoted out of context, as usual. Paul said neither works of the Law OR works done in righteousness--good works, right?--save us, but God's mercy! So, what is there left to be saved by?

Now, reconcile that with James 2:24. I can--can you? So can Theo1689, to a Mormon. This response is even better than another one from him that I linked to earlier on here:

Faith AND Good Works, which is how we show love for God and neighbor. Or do you think the Greatest Commandment is optional?
 
Faith AND Good Works, which is how we show love for God and neighbor. Or do you think the Greatest Commandment is optional?
No, you didn't reconcile it at all with what Paul wrote, since he repeatedly wrote "and NOT by works", not by works of the Law OR works done in righteousness. So, since neither of these works helps to save us, what is there left to be saved by?

Of course that commandment isn't optional! But good works are the result of faith, not the cause. We do good works IN salvation, not FOR salvation. We do them BECAUSE we are saved, not to GET saved. They prove that a faith is alive, not dead. Genuine, not just mental assent. The good works VINDICATE/PROVE the person's faith is true. But they do not help to save us. Did you read what Theo wrote, in the link I posted?

Do you know what it means to be a new creation in Christ Jesus?
 
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No, you didn't reconcile it at all with what Paul wrote, since he repeatedly wrote "and NOT by works", not by works of the Law OR works done in righteousness. So, since neither of these works helps to save us, what is there left to be saved by?
Not faith alone. Not works alone. Faith AND Works.

James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.
 
Not faith alone. Not works alone. Faith AND Works.

James 2:14 What does it profit, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has not works? Can his faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is ill-clad and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead.
Yes grace alone through faith alone, and "NOT by works, so no one may boast." Paul wrote that neither works of the Law OR works done IN righteousness save us, but it is God's mercy that does, through Jesus Christ.

You also need to reread what Theo wrote. He was quite clear in his exegesis of James 2. He makes a very good case for reconciling James 2:24 with all of those verses from Paul that say we are NOT saved by works of any kind--they are the FRUIT of a true faith. A dead faith can save no one. It is mere intellectual acknowledgment of the doctrine. NOT a heart-felt belief in it, which vindicates to the world that our faith is genuine.

But who is it that enables us to BEAR good fruit for God, in Christ Jesus? Paul tells us in Eph. 2:10'--"For you are GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus FOR GOOD WORKS which He has prepared in advance for us to do, so that we may walk in them.

So, whose workmanship are we? WHO has prepared us to do them, so that we may walk in them?

And you failed to answer my question: Do you know what it means to be a new creation in Christ Jesus? If so, can tell us what it means to you?
 
Yes grace alone through faith alone, and "NOT by works, so no one may boast." Paul wrote that neither works of the Law OR works done IN righteousness save us, but it is God's mercy that does, through Jesus Christ.

You also need to reread what Theo wrote. He was quite clear in his exegesis of James 2. He makes a very good case for reconciling James 2:24 with all of those verses from Paul that say we are NOT saved by works of any kind--they are the FRUIT of a true faith. A dead faith can save no one. It is mere intellectual acknowledgment of the doctrine. NOT a heart-felt belief in it, which vindicates to the world that our faith is genuine.

But who is it that enables us to BEAR good fruit for God, in Christ Jesus? Paul tells us in Eph. 2:10'--"For you are GOD'S WORKMANSHIP, created in Christ Jesus FOR GOOD WORKS which He has prepared in advance for us to do, so that we may walk in them.

So, whose workmanship are we? WHO has prepared us to do them, so that we may walk in them?

And you failed to answer my question: Do you know what it means to be a new creation in Christ Jesus? If so, can tell us what it means to you?
You are dancing around the VERY CLEAR teaching of Scripture, easy enough for a child to understand:

"So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead"

Faith by itself = faith alone



So with this understanding from James now see Matthew 25.
 
You are dancing around the VERY CLEAR teaching of Scripture, easy enough for a child to understand:

"So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead"

Faith by itself = faith alone



So with this understanding from James now see Matthew 25.
No it is RCs who dance around the VERY CLEAR teaching of scripture, easy enough for a child being taught by false teachers.

Faith first and from faith God works in us and changes us, the works are not ours but His. RCs constantly show their ignorance of what God is saying. He is clearly saying that we have faith first and others will see that faith by the works we do.
 
You are dancing around the VERY CLEAR teaching of Scripture, easy enough for a child to understand:

"So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead"

Faith by itself = faith alone



So with this understanding from James now see Matthew 25.
I do indeed understand what it says and means. But even a child could understand that James is talking about a living faith vs. a dead faith, and that a faith that does NOT result in loving deeds isn't a true faith at all. Even a child could understand that our works prove/vindicate that the faith is real, not just all talk and no action. And that while they do NOT save, they DO vindicate that person doing them.

But over and over again, Paul says that our works do not save us; grace through faith in Jesus Christ DOES. THEN we are able to bear fruit pleasing to God. But we do them IN faith. We do them IN salvation, not FOR salvation. We do them BECAUSE we are saved, not to GET saved. There IS a difference. THIS is what James is talking about.
 
Great, so God doesn't teach that a person is justified by faith alone and not by works since scripture says that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Balshan didn't say that.

In Luke 7:50, what did Jesus say saved the woman?

If we are saved by grace through faith and NOT by works--either works of the Law OR works done in righteousness--what is there left to be saved by?
 
Balshan didn't say that.

In Luke 7:50, what did Jesus say saved the woman?

If we are saved by grace through faith and NOT by works--either works of the Law OR works done in righteousness--what is there left to be saved by?
We are not saved by faith alone. Nowhere does scripture teach that.
 
We are not saved by faith alone. Nowhere does scripture teach that.
So, Jesus lied, in what He told the woman in Luke 7:50? Paul lied in Eph. 2:8-9?

What did Jesus say saved the woman in Luke 7:50? Did He add anything to that one word?

Once again, in Romans 4,, WHAT is credited/imputed to us as righteousness? It is the same thing that was credited/imputed to Abraham as righteousness in Genesis 15.

"For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness."

What is that one little word, ding?
 
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