Well then why argue against scripture Bob?AND according to Eph 2:8,9 even the FAITH to be born again has to be GIFTED by God.
I don't. The thing I argue about is "INTERPRTATIONS OF SCRIPTURE" - i.e. "Theology". You appear to mistake your "Theological Systematic" for God's WORD.Well then why argue against scripture Bob?
Nope, because that would be impossible - NOBODY comes with being drawn, and NOBODY has faith EXCEPT as it's Gifted by God (Rom 10:17) - FAITH has to have two attributes, NEITHER of which can be generated by a human.You would rather have it that you can make a decision and decide to have faith, is that it?
I've got no problem believing GOD. His WORD to me is beyond doubt.Why is it so difficult for you to believe God?
Of course - unmerited favor - grace is why we all weren't vaporized the instant we SINNED, and fell short. HE blessed us with survival - time to Call on Him in FAITH that HE Gifts. (FAITH is always gifted / revelatory).His word says, you are saved by grace. Do you understand grace?
What part of "Unmerited favor" didn't you get??I don’t believe anyone can completely grasp it. But it means you have nothing to do with it, and you don’t deserve it it.
What gave you that silly idea???Even though Paul writes in Eph 2, it’s not of yourself, you believe it is of yourself.
I don't know about religious "Buzz words" (like "regeneration" which changes its meaning according to Deniminational paradigm).It seems you cannot stand the fact that God regenerated you, the new man in Christ had the enmity removed through Christ and restored us spiritually, the new man possesses saving faith. That’s how it’s not of yourself Bob. You were spiritually dead and a slave of Satan.
Not really, I "Believed" (gave mental assent) to the "Gospel" from very early in my life, and watched God MOVE because I asked Him to in prayer.When you heard the gospel, at the appointed time, you believed,
Another Biblical way of describing faith - re: Mark 11:23 - "Heart Belief - nothing doubting" based on Rom 10:17 God's Word to me.You believed in your heart
Another religious "Buzz-word". Just a "religious" way of saying that I was indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and changed by HIM when I was BORN AGAIN.(your new heart)
Cried (literally) out to Him, and asked Him to save me - and then everything changed., and by your mouth, confessed Christ.
That's certainly true.You should praise God for all your worth because He loved you and chose you before the foundation of the world. Be thankful it wasn’t your choice, because like me, you would have never chosen Him.
I asked specifically how you were able to use self will to get out from under the false teachings of the RCCEither God's word is true, or man's doctrine is true.
I give glory to God for revealing Christ to me through his true inspired word.
I did not realize you wanted me to say those words; maybe, God decreed me not to know what you wanted me to say.
I've checked all 92 posts; I have not found "self will", other than this post.I asked specifically how you were able to use self will to get out from under the false teachings of the RCC
I give glory to God for bringing me out.And you could not give God the glory for bringing you out.
I give God glory for revealing the truth to me.Now you say you give Him the glory for revealing truth to you.
I give glory to God for the ability given to me to choose life or death, to choose whom I will serve.Do you also give Him glory for your choices in this regard?
His doctrine teaches this. That is why he is not responding and agreeing with you. He desires the same thing that he believes God desires for the damned. Their destruction and endless suffering.
I'm appealing to your senses. Your discernment. You are offended at what I wrote because you should be.
He is not because he believes just that.
I haven't. He can respond and correct me. It is rather clear that is what YOU believe as well.
Please feel free to correct me. Please be specific about how I am wrong. Just saying "you misrepresent me" doesn't work.
Friend, you really have no clue. Why should I answer your every post? Especially with these accusations.His doctrine teaches this. That is why he is not responding and agreeing with you. He desires the same thing that he believes God desires for the damned. Their destruction and endless suffering.
What you post is predictable and expected.I'm appealing to your senses. Your discernment. You are offended at what I wrote because you should be. He is not because he believes just that.
Because he would have no argument otherwise.Why don't you stop misrepresenting what other people "teach"?
Seems he tried to get rid of it in time. But someone replied to it. Oops.I notice that one of your earlier posts in this exchange was deleted.
Why not learn the lesson?
Yes, and these aren’t worth wasting my time on.Yes, it's offensive for you to misrepresent what others believe.
You have a habit of misrepresenting what other people believe.
You have been corrected. Why don’t you accept correction.You could just say.....
No. I don't agree with God's punishment of people predetermined to suffer everlasting torment. .
You will not do that because you can't say that. Your 5 Point Calvinist doctrine teaches this. You agree with the doctrine.
This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater, for this is the testimony of God that he has borne concerning his Son. Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 1 John 5You leaving out a large portion of information.
1. It is an astonishingly good thing that the Gospel is declared to all men, in the tongues of men, by Holy Spirit filled preachers with great "plainness of speech."
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
The Holy Spirit imparts knowledge to the preacher, which in turn, preaches the Gospel to natural men in very simple terms they can understand.
2. Deep Spiritual knowledge is NOT REQUIRED to accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In fact, if you continue on in what Paul was telling those at Corinth, Paul clearly said they were still carnal.
Do you see that? Still CARNAL.... Yet, they were newly born in Christ.
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
In review, you over stating your position. Even new born babies in Christ are CARNAL. Fleshly. The Gospel is preached by mature members of the body of Christ in terms that the natural/carnal men can discern.
There. No need to feel special about yourself that God gave you something He hasn't offered to everyone else. He has. Through the Gospel.
And how do you get that from my post?It is a good thing to quote Scripture. It is a bad thing to always throw them at someone else without first considering how they apply to the quoter. I preach Jesus Christ first in all things. You preach yourself.
The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox’s gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again.Sure Calvinists do. Calvinists love to quite Charles.
" Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."
It is a good thing to quote Scripture. It is a bad thing to always throw them at someone else without first considering how they apply to the quoter. I preach Jesus Christ first in all things. You preach yourself.