What mans religion teaches about faith and repentance

brightfame52

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Are Faith and Repentance evangelical truths that must be preached ? The answer is absolutely yes, Jesus said Lk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

So its no doubt that sound Gospel preaching includes repentance. However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them ! They are in essence saying that everything Christ did for them in His Person and Work fell short in making them righteous/justified before God.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Are Faith and Repentance evangelical truths that must be preached ? The answer is absolutely yes, Jesus said Lk 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

So its no doubt that sound Gospel preaching includes repentance. However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them ! They are in essence saying that everything Christ did for them in His Person and Work fell short in making them righteous/justified before God.
You are posting more bad theology

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You are posting more bad theology

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
You are resistance to the truth
 

brightfame52

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In Gospel preaching, instead of faith/repentance being conditions man must perform in order for God to justify them or make them righteous, they are to be acknowledged and received as Spiritual Blessings from Christ being risen as their Savor, along with remission of sins, as Peter points out in his sermon Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.


The greek word give is the the verb didōmi and means:

  1. to give something to someone

    1. of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
      1. to bestow a gift


  1. to supply, furnish, necessary things

    The giving of these things are necessary in constituting Christ a Savior from sin !

    Faith and Repentance are necessary furnishings to do the will of God !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You are resistance to the truth
Scripture is truth

om. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”


your theology an error
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Scripture is truth

om. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”


your theology an error
I'm testifying to the truth and you are evading. Do you want to discuss the details of the Op?
 

TomFL

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I'm testifying to the truth and you are evading. Do you want to discuss the details of the Op?
You mean you are testify to your theology

The truth is faith precedes justification

om. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You mean you are testify to your theology

The truth is faith precedes justification

om. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”
More evasion
 

TomFL

Well-known member
More evasion
Not if you read

The truth is faith precedes justification

om. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”

BTW to grant does not mean to effectually cause
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Not if you read

The truth is faith precedes justification

om. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”

BTW to grant does not mean to effectually cause
Yes all you do is evade. Tell me what is stated in op
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Yes all you do is evade. Tell me what is stated in op
This is what it states

However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them

Hello

You don't know what you are talking about

and claimed men are justified without faith
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
This is what it states

However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them

Hello

You don't know what you are talking about

and claimed men are justified without faith
So if you do that you wrong. What else does the op state?
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
This is what it states

However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them

Hello

You don't know what you are talking about

and claimed men are justified without faith
What you are doing is making justification conditioned on man and not the blood of Christ. Essentially that is Justification by works of man a damnable heresy!
 

TomFL

Well-known member
What you are doing is making justification conditioned on man and not the blood of Christ. Essentially that is Justification by works of man a damnable heresy!
What I am doing is believing scripture

Why don't you

Justification is always predicated upon faith in scripture
 

TomFL

Well-known member
So if you do that you wrong. What else does the op state?
Don't run from your words

However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them

Hello

You claimed men are justified without faith

that is contrary to scripture
 

TomFL

Well-known member
What you are doing is making justification conditioned on man and not the blood of Christ. Essentially that is Justification by works of man a damnable heresy!
What I am doing is following the scripture

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”

why aren't you ?
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
What I am doing is following the scripture

Rom. 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Rom. 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Rom. 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom. 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom. 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Gal. 3:6 ¶ Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Rom. 3:26 “To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”

why aren't you ?
Don't run from your words

However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them

Hello

You claimed men are justified without faith

that is contrary to scripture
Running from the op again. What else does it say?
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Running from the op again. What else does it say?

This was from the op

However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them

it is an error

Can you defend your error
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
This was from the op

However where men go wrong is when they make repentance and or faith conditions for Justification before God ! They say that men and women for whom Christ died are not justified, made righteous before God without them

it is an error

Can you defend your error
Not all of it.
 
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