What mans religion teaches about faith and repentance

TomFL

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More evasion. If you dont want to discuss my points, its senseless to join the thread.
What point do you imagine has not been discussed

Your point that men are justified previous to faith was addressed and refuted by scripture

God granting repentance was agreed with the note you must define grant and not just assume
some irresistible force

Acts 5:31 “He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. NASB

So what other point do you wish to make ?i
 

brightfame52

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What point do you imagine has not been discussed

Your point that men are justified previous to faith was addressed and refuted by scripture

God granting repentance was agreed with the note you must define grant and not just assume
some irresistible force

Acts 5:31 “He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. NASB

So what other point do you wish to make ?i
More evasion !
 

brightfame52

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If you had another point you can just present it , instead of playing this game
More is coming for you to deny. You have admitted you believe in conditional work Justification by what man does, and reject that Justification before God is solely based upon the blood of Christ !
 

TomFL

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More is coming for you to deny. You have admitted you believe in conditional work Justification by what man does, and reject that Justification before God is solely based upon the blood of Christ !
So you really have no other point

Again I believe what scripture shows

Men are declared righteous upon faith

You idea they are righteous while still opposed to God is just unbiblical
 

brightfame52

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Now some might say that the verse Acts 5:31 doesn't say anything about Christ the Savior giving Faith, but only Repentance to Israel [Gods Elect People]. Thats no problem however because Gospel evangelical repentance contains faith, for this repentance acknowledges, embraces the Truth 2 Tim 2:25

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Notice that the word give here is the same word give in Acts 5:31 when its stated God gives repentance to Israel, but here in the 2 Tim 2:25 verse repentance is clarified in that it gives the acknowledging of the Truth.

I Titus 1:1 its recognized as the Faith of Gods Elect

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

So contrary to what mans religion teaches, that faith and repentance are conditions men perform in order to get justified or righteous before God, they are gracious gifts given by the Savior when He saves them, wherein they evidence Christ has saved them !
 

TomFL

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Now some might say that the verse Acts 5:31 doesn't say anything about Christ the Savior giving Faith, but only Repentance to Israel [Gods Elect People]. Thats no problem however because Gospel evangelical repentance contains faith, for this repentance acknowledges, embraces the Truth 2 Tim 2:25

In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Notice that the word give here is the same word give in Acts 5:31 when its stated God gives repentance to Israel, but here in the 2 Tim 2:25 verse repentance is clarified in that it gives the acknowledging of the Truth.

I Titus 1:1 its recognized as the Faith of Gods Elect

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

So contrary to what mans religion teaches, that faith and repentance are conditions men perform in order to get justified or righteous before God, they are gracious gifts given by the Savior when He saves them, wherein they evidence Christ has saved them !
Funny Christ spoke of weak , little, no faith

Criticizing men for it

Do you suppose he was criticizing God's gift

Matt. 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Matt. 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
Matt. 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
Matt. 16:8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
Luke 12:28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Mark 4:40 —KJV
“And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?”
 

brightfame52

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Funny Christ spoke of weak , little, no faith

Criticizing men for it

Do you suppose he was criticizing God's gift

Matt. 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Matt. 8:26 And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm.
Matt. 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
Matt. 16:8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
Luke 12:28 If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Mark 4:40 —KJV
“And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?”
Evasion and rabbit trail. What are the points made in the post 30
 

TomFL

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<Chuckle>

It's absolutely hilarious watching him do the same thing he accuses me of!
Double standards once again! :)
Maybe you should have actually followed the thread there was no point he could point to left undiscussed😃
 

brightfame52

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they do disparage the death and blood of Christ ! What they are saying whether they know it or not is Christs blood alone was inadequate to Justify them for whom it was shed. This does contradict Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
 

TomFL

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they do disparage the death and blood of Christ ! What they are saying whether they know it or not is Christs blood alone was inadequate to Justify them for whom it was shed. This does contradict Rom 5:9

Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
It's real simple show where any were justified without faith

Rom. 5:1–2 —KJV
Ҧ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”
 

brightfame52

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It's real simple show where any were justified without faith

Rom. 5:1–2 —KJV
Ҧ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.”
Do you understand the ramifications of what you believe ? Read post 37
 
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