What things in the Catholic/Eastern Orthodox church teachings of TODAY are NOT in the Early Church Fathers' Teachings?

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No you just follow revisionist history. I am not attacking
see, all you can do is avoid and deny. you cannot refute the historical fact the it was the catholic church through her councils that determined the canon of the bible.
 
see, all you can do is avoid and deny. you cannot refute the historical fact the it was the catholic church through her councils that determined the canon of the bible.
The canon means nothing, the scriptures were around before your institution existed. It does not need to be in book form at all.
 
The canon means nothing, the scriptures were around before your institution existed. It does not need to be in book form at all.
yes, it was around but scattered together with fake and spurious writings. the catholic church is the authority who gathered these writings and determined which were inspired and which were not, resulting in the canon we have today. the church existed before the bible.
 
yes, it was around but scattered together with fake and spurious writings. the catholic church is the authority who gathered these writings and determined which were inspired and which were not, resulting in the canon we have today. the church existed before the bible.
oh give us break. True believers always knew the right ones. Yep scriptures always warned believers against your leaders.
 
mica said:
the RCC isn't His one true church. it may be considered the one true church of the RCC, but that's no different than claiming the LDS is the one true church of the Mormons.

all you can do is quote from what the RCC has written or said. you can't support what you believe with scripture.
see, all you can do is avoid and deny.
no, that's what you do.

you cannot refute the historical fact the it was the catholic church through her councils that determined the canon of the bible.
the RCC has made up its own history. it is not fact, it is fiction.
 
yes, it was around but scattered together with fake and spurious writings. the catholic church is the authority who gathered these writings and determined which were inspired and which were not, resulting in the canon we have today. the church existed before the bible.
so? the RCC wouldn't know fake/spurious writings from true scripture, unless it made up those fake/spurious writings itself.

your 'church' did not exist prior to scripture. what is within 'the bible' is scripture.
 
so? the RCC wouldn't know fake/spurious writings from true scripture, unless it made up those fake/spurious writings itself.

your 'church' did not exist prior to scripture. what is within 'the bible' is scripture.
what is within the bible are the old and new testaments. the old testament is from the jews but the new testament canon was determined by the catholic church.
 
No it wasn't. It was determined by God, not your institution.
yes, determined by God, who inspired men guided by the holy spirit to collect, sort, and put the27 inspired books of the nt that we have today. sorry to say that there was only the catholic church during those times and these men were catholics.
 
yes, determined by God, who inspired men guided by the holy spirit to collect, sort, and put the27 inspired books of the nt that we have today. sorry to say that there was only the catholic church during those times and these men were catholics.
Nothing to do with your institution. The apostles were not part of your institution. They were believers not wolves. Sorry to say it was known as the way, the catholic is an adjective meaning universal not a name. Your institution is the ROMAN catholic church. It started in Rome and walked away from the real church.
 
these men were true believers and they were catholics.
They were not RCCs, they were called the way not catholics. Catholic is an adjective. Paul would not eat with your leaders, he tells us not to eat with sinners.

1 Cor 5:11

But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

Stop insulting Paul and yes he was a true believer, your wolves are not.
 
Piece of Cake. Purgatory started with the Jewish belief of purgatory although they wouldn't call it that. They would say its sorta purgatory called Kaddish. This is perhaps where the SPECULATION that purgatory involves TIME. You do a Jewish Kaddish prayer on behalf of the dead OFFICIALLY up to 12 months, but generally people would only do it for 11 months believing no one could actually be such a problem being purified.

No properly informed Catholic would agree to the typical misrepresentations toted from anti-catholics like a diet-hell, when actual teaching specifies its not like hell at all. The church doesn't hold a massive complex teaching. What it says is there is a FINAL PURIFICATION before you enter heaven. That leaves a wide scope of having a purification occur for you even last week....... So whenever is LAST purification its obviously your FINAL PURIFICATION, Purgatory.

When we say purified we actually mean fully healed in Jesus Christ not just God handing you a sin-handicap T-shirt and a certificate excusing you into heaven with a pass, but actually fully CLEANSING and .healing you, actual purification. Scripture is clear nothing impure will enter heaven.

Revelations 21

27and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.

Newsflash folks. Purgatory is Latin. It means cleanse, clean, wash ect. And there is a lot of PURGATORY going on all over the bible.

1 John 1

7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If Jesus Christ has EVER cleansed you ONE TIME, just once? CONGRATS you believe in PURGATORY.

If you think he does it multiple times..... or well whatever the LAST TIME is whether its ONE TIME , 1/2 a time, thousand times. The last one is your FINAL PURIFICATION.

2 corinthians 7

1Therefore, having these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.
I've heard this argument many times, but I'm familiar enough to know that Kaddish is a prayer acknowledging the sovereignty of God and not a prayer for the soul in an alleged "purgatory." Most would say it is a prayer of remembrance because the worst thing is to be forgotten. The reason why they don't call it as such is because it isn't comparable to purgatory. Add to this that the rabbis who came up with this theory (no it was never an etched-in-stone belief) were Shammai and Hillel, which could easily align with the "traditions" that Jesus rejected. Fast forward to modern Judaism, and the fact that some believe in hell, most don't, most rabbis believe that "hell" is where one goes to be purified with the worst of sinners spending, at the most, 12 months. There is no "eternal damnation" in modern Jewish thought. I find it funny that most Catholics find parallels in Judaism, but would reject the notion of universalism or the rejection of eternal damnation.

Purgatory is simply a man-made doctrine and your post pretty much cements that fact.

Peace,
Ray
 
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