I do not care for that term either. I think "immutable" might be more appropriate.
What was counted to Abraham for righteousness?
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Yes, they had meaning before moses as well. they have meaning in Christ. but the Rabbi's misunderstood somethings due to their sectarian bent.
ReverendRV
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Would you say the Covenant of Redemption is Unconditional?
American Gothic
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everything HAS to have "meaning in Christ" and The Jews just didn't get it!
just like every verse has to conform to TULIP, because the Bible teaches TULIP
everthing about Israel is really talking about The Church now, because Israel is toast and those in the Land now are not the real Jews
and Everything Jesus said during His life was aimed at and spoken specifically to Christians,
and there is no worth or in trying to understand the Jewish context of anything, right?
a covenant where God says, "I will...blah blah" and the other covenanty only Believes God will make it happen is an unconditional covenant
a covenant with "you do this, I God will do this" and "you don't do this, I God will do this" is conditional
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Probably tradition, but...John's baptism. The groom as well was baptized
Joh 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
Yes, we are buried with him, and are raised as well.
Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Well why all the ask jews stuff?
American Gothic
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why not ask them on some things?
they gave us The Bible and the Savior, no?
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Jesus' baptism had more meaning than just a bath?
there is a Jewish wedding tradition, and it might teach The Church something
about it's relationship to Messiah? hmmm
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ReverendRV
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Could you explain how the Bread and Wine are a Melchizadek thing, in relationship to Arminianism and Calvinism?
American Gothic
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good luck in the Judaism section, RRV
As for tradition, nothing wrong with that It could have been tradition from Abraham, or even Noah's time.
into Moses 1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
into Noah
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Both of these were before Covenants (ketubahs) were made
Apostolic traditions.......
2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
American Gothic
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"like Adam, they have transgressed the covenant.." Hosea 6
"by faith, Abel..." Hebrews 11
covenants and faith, as old as Mankind
"by faith, Abel..." Hebrews 11
covenants and faith, as old as Mankind
On somethings yes. But by no means does that mean you will get a correct answer. For marital baptism, I had to look it up in connection with Marriage. For me at the time, It had to do with Mary and her being a betrothed wife. That does not mean her and Joseph were only engaged, though it can also mean that. It is a reference to her status as a wife. She was not just a concubine. So I actually came across this on accident. The wife of covenant.why not ask them on some things?
they gave us The Bible and the Savior, no?
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Jesus' baptism had more meaning than just a bath?
there is a Jewish wedding tradition, and it might teach The Church something
about it's relationship to Messiah? hmmm
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I am not up to speed on Calvinism, or Arminianism, sorry.
Theophilus
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pv 26:11
ReverendRV
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Well I'm glad you're here. Arminianism and Calvinism, IE Soteriology; are what we like to talk about...
Arminians and Calvinists agree when it comes to Total Depravity; that would be a good place for you to start. When Calvinists and Arminians differ very little on a subject, it helps people to get up to speed...
Well, thank you. How kind of you.
Oh, that dizzies my head. I am not brainy enough to grasp that stuff. Sorry to barge in you guy's forum.
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"IT", is the righteousness of Christ, that is imputed to the sinner's account while they are still ungodly.
Romans 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness.”4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works
"Justifies the ungodly", Faith being a gift embraces to what saves the ungodly; Christ and all of his works. Faith is passive, it rests and receives Christ with empty hands.
eternomade
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I don't know exactly what the other poster meant but that covenant has conditions, but not for man to meet. Christ fulfilled the conditions.
ReverendRV
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The more the merrier...
Reformedguy
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It's the same with "Trinity".