What would you do if God revealed His plan for your life?

shnarkle

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I did. True love is an act of free will. If it's not then it's not love. Period.
Obviously you didn't read the original post. I specifically pointed out that I'm not interested in arguing over issues that have nothing to do with it. Thanks anyways, but I'm not interested in pointless irrelevant issues that have nothing to do with the question. I don't respond to anyone who ignores an explicit straightforward request. I just ignore them completely. I'm sure that if you do the same, you'll find it a much better use of your time.
 

Yakuda

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Obviously you didn't read the original post. I specifically pointed out that I'm not interested in arguing over issues that have nothing to do with it. Thanks anyways, but I'm not interested in pointless irrelevant issues that have nothing to do with the question. I don't respond to anyone who ignores an explicit straightforward request. I just ignore them completely. I'm sure that if you do the same, you'll find it a much better use of your time.
You wrote an awful lot for someone who is ignoring me. What I posted is all that matters on regards to this topic. We have free will. Period. Dont like it? I don't care. If you don't respond? Again, don't care.
 

Yakuda

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There is no “i am saved already...”


His souls will be saved at the Change when we are restored to our imperishable body.

That’s what paul says. that is our rescue and hope.
And we also arent "always saved".
 

Bob Carabbio

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Even if you followed it perfectly, you are still going straight to hell.
(CHUCKLE) AWW!!! I'll try to contain my disappointment!!! Who KNEW????! The hopes and FEARS of all the years all gone to bupkus. BUT no problem!!! I haven't followed it perfectly!!!!
So why follow it at all if you're still foreordained to eternal damnation?
That's a MUCH larger "IF" than you may think -
 

shnarkle

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Issues that you think are not relevant. By doing that you try to control the conversation.
Of course. While I don't have any problem letting those who have nothing to say on the subject rant and rave all they want to. (note: I don't yet know how to embolden text so I use caps. This is not an attempt to "yell") IF someone is actually attempting to address the topic, I will point out what the topic actually is to remind them. In this case, I'm pointing out a HYPOTHETICAL scenario, and asking people to respond by posting what they would do IF this were the case. I also pointed out in the OP that I'm NOT Interested in those who feel it is more important to highjack this topic, and change it to a discussion on the merits of the underlying assumptions. That's ANOTHER TOPIC. Feel free to start your own thread, or go ahead and try to derail this one if that's what you feel like doing. I can ignore you much better than you can ignore me. In fact, you're about to become "Ignored"
 

shnarkle

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(CHUCKLE) AWW!!! I'll try to contain my disappointment!!! Who KNEW????! The hopes and FEARS of all the years all gone to bupkus. BUT no problem!!! I haven't followed it perfectly!!!!
Besides the point which you keep ignoring.
That's a MUCH larger "IF" than you may think -
Of course it is. It's beyond monumental, yet most people take it for granted. It's really just a joke to most people. Regardless, it doesn't appear you're interested in this topic to begin with.
 

shnarkle

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I'd keep in mind that as my Creator God can do whatever he wishes with me. And just be glad for the opportunity to have experienced life for awhile.
EXCELLENT response!!! Bravo!!! I wholeheartedly agree! However, I also can't help but see that the prospect that a just God has lovingly and mercifully damned me to hell is not going to be easy to forget about either. The revelation itself isn't likely to be confined to the intellect. An acute awareness of one's impending damnation isn't going to be easy to banish. Your response is nonetheless right on target.
 

Gary Mac

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Follow it as best as I HAVE BEEN for 58 years.

Next Question?
For me it isnt an effort, it is from receiving from God the same as Jesus received from Him to have His same Spirit, same mind, walk as He walk sin it. Efforts will fail every time, the manifestation of God in you will not fail., it is a gift not an effort.
 

SteveB

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While it may be true that goats, swine, and wolves can become lost, the Good Shepherd will not be returning any of them to the sheepfold. No amount of will or effort (Romans 9:16) can change wolves into sheep, or tares into wheat.

Paul asks a hypothetical question in Romans 9 that Christianity is hesitant to look at for any extended length of time. The issue is one of responsibility, and the justice of God. Are those who are fashioned as "vessels fitted for destruction" responsible for their own demise, or were they created that way? Paul poses the question of why would anyone who God damns be responsible for their behavior if God created them that way? The answer from mainstream Christianity seems to be because it's their free will choice to sin. Paul doesn't respond that way though. Instead he acknowledges that the potter has the power to make one lump of clay into a vessel fitted for destruction, and another into a vessel of mercy. He essentially says, "Shut up!" because it is a Given that God is just.

The hypothetical question posed is "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: " (vs. 22)

From an intellectual standpoint, this is a difficult issue to deal with. If one were to become acutely aware of this reality in their own life, it would be horrific, to say the least.

My question is what would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy? Some examples of this happening in the bible are Jonah, and Jesus himself. The entire bible if full of draft dodgers who are not interested in God's plan for them.

I am not interested in discussing other scenarios, or any theology that assumes this couldn't or would never happen, or that God is somehow evil for doing something like this. Paul clearly points out that if this were the case, God is still just and righteous.

I'm just interested in finding out what anyone in general, and Christians in particular would do or how they would respond to this revelation from God.

Most Christians have no desire to address, much less answer this question. This is understandable, but it isn't an invitation to highjack the topic so I would really appreciate it if anyone who does decide to answer refrains from claiming this couldn't happen, or God would never do something like this, or bringing up any other topics in this thread.
Curious....
From what I read in 2 Peter 3, God has in fact revealed his will to each of us.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.​

He clearly states--- He is not willing that we should perish, but that we should come to repentance.

Furthermore, as we are saved by Grace, through faith, and not of works, but the works we should perform were prepared for us since the foundation of the world..... and Grace teaches us----

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.​

how could we be lost if we place our trust in Jesus?

Is God not capable of handling our weaknesses, and follies, when we struggle to learn, and engage him?

Especially when we read in Proverbs 3

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,​
And lean not on your own understanding;​
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,​
And He shall direct your paths.​
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;​
Fear the LORD and depart from evil.​

Is God not capable of ensuring we make it home, if we keep trusting him, acknowledging him, and fearing him.
 

shnarkle

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Curious....
From what I read in 2 Peter 3, God has in fact revealed his will to each of us.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.​

He clearly states--- He is not willing that we should perish, but that we should come to repentance.
True, yet who is he talking to? Isn't he talking to those who, " according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."? Or are we to assume that these are the same referred to earlier as "reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."? Aren't these two different groups?
Furthermore, as we are saved by Grace, through faith, and not of works, but the works we should perform were prepared for us since the foundation of the world.....

Quite true, yet this is still beside the point of the OP.
and Grace teaches us----

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, 12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, 13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, 14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.​

how could we be lost if we place our trust in Jesus?

By the simple fact that the carnal man places his trust in Jesus as a means of salvation; it becomes a work that can never please God. Paul points this out in Romans 8.
Is God not capable of handling our weaknesses, and follies, when we struggle to learn, and engage him?

The question is not about God's abilities, but his sovereign will.
Especially when we read in Proverbs 3

5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart,​
And lean not on your own understanding;​
6 In all your ways acknowledge Him,​
And He shall direct your paths.​
7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;​
Fear the LORD and depart from evil.​

Is God not capable of ensuring we make it home, if we keep trusting him, acknowledging him, and fearing him.
God is more than capable of warranting the salvation of those he has predestined for salvation regardless of their trust, knowledge, or fear of him. One's will and effort do not trump the sovereign will of God. As Paul points out does one's lack of belief nullify God's promises? Not a chance. Now that we have that out of the way, are you prepared to address the question asked in the OP?
 

SteveB

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True, yet who is he talking to? Isn't he talking to those who, " according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."? Or are we to assume that these are the same referred to earlier as "reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."? Aren't these two different groups?


Quite true, yet this is still beside the point of the OP.


By the simple fact that the carnal man places his trust in Jesus as a means of salvation; it becomes a work that can never please God. Paul points this out in Romans 8.


The question is not about God's abilities, but his sovereign will.

God is more than capable of warranting the salvation of those he has predestined for salvation regardless of their trust, knowledge, or fear of him. One's will and effort do not trump the sovereign will of God. As Paul points out does one's lack of belief nullify God's promises? Not a chance. Now that we have that out of the way, are you prepared to address the question asked in the OP?
Ok.

So, what are you claiming, that only people who become incapable of choosing will be saved?
 

shnarkle

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Ok.

So, what are you claiming, that only people who become incapable of choosing will be saved?
No.

No one is capable of choosing. Christ and Paul both point out that no one chooses Christ, Christ chooses them.

I am claiming the EXACT same thing Paul is in his hypothetical question from Romans. I am simply asking you "What would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy? " It's not a trick question. I'm not really interested in debating the question as much as finding out how people would react if they were faced with this hypothetical scenario.
 
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