Rockson
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And as everyone can see I didn't put just the words "Is not" in my post as you're repeating me seems to imply.Thanks for taking us on this wild goose chase. I'm done.
And as everyone can see I didn't put just the words "Is not" in my post as you're repeating me seems to imply.Thanks for taking us on this wild goose chase. I'm done.
Thanks for taking us on this wild goose chase. I'm done.
Hello Snarkle.
Here, again we see man is given a free will to make a free choice.
It doesn't matter what my will is. What matters is God's sovereign will. Do you think God unrighteous if he fits one vessel for mercy and the other for wrath? Paul clearly states that it is a Given that God is righteous, and yet it is God's decision to make one vessel for mercy and another fitted for destruction.Would you be willing to give up a life of sin for the free gift of eternal life?
No. The question is: "what would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy?"Does this answer your question?
Tony Gee11
The choice in us all is to be born again of Gods Spirit that is not flesh as mortal man.Which man was given the choice to be born?
Doesnt matter in God terms we all are the same in His SPirit.Which of us was given the choice to be male or female?
But the disposition of, spirit of, is the real issue.I see quite a few people are are starting to actually make that decision long after they were born. Does that count in your theory?
Getting back to the fact that wolves are not able to become sheep, nor are tares able to will themselves into becoming wheat, it stands to reason that lumps of clay do not have free will either.
God doesnt fit anyone for destruction, that is Pauls opinion as a sinner not of God at all. And that is why I do not follow Paul but the way of Jesus for righteousness.It doesn't matter what my will is. What matters is God's sovereign will. Do you think God unrighteous if he fits one vessel for mercy and the other for wrath? Paul clearly states that it is a Given that God is righteous, and yet it is God's decision to make one vessel for mercy and another fitted for destruction.
And either He is in you to walk as He walks in His same light and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect or you are not.Either God's will is sovereign or it isn't.
The problem in most is they are not thorough in repentance and has no intent to receieve from God to be as He is and perfect as He is as He demands of you if you are to be of Him in His same image. .No. The question is: "what would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy?"
Bottom line is, either He be in you and you be in Him as one as Jesus was one Him, John 17, and if you have seen Him as He is ye shall be like Him, 1 John 3. There is no in-between, either you are like Him or you are not and you know very well if you are like Him as Jesus was or not.This isn't a trick question. It isn't convoluted, or contradictory. Even if you believe God would never do something like this, it is still possible to answer the question I actually asked. If you don't want to, you are free to ignore it, but I will simply return the favor.
Which man was given the choice to be born? Which of us was given the choice to be male or female? I see quite a few people are are starting to actually make that decision long after they were born. Does that count in your theory?
Getting back to the fact that wolves are not able to become sheep, nor are tares able to will themselves into becoming wheat, it stands to reason that lumps of clay do not have free will either.
It doesn't matter what my will is. What matters is God's sovereign will. Do you think God unrighteous if he fits one vessel for mercy and the other for wrath? Paul clearly states that it is a Given that God is righteous, and yet it is God's decision to make one vessel for mercy and another fitted for destruction.
Either God's will is sovereign or it isn't.
No. The question is: "what would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy?"
This isn't a trick question. It isn't convoluted, or contradictory. Even if you believe God would never do something like this, it is still possible to answer the question I actually asked. If you don't want to, you are free to ignore it, but I will simply return the favor.
Which man was given the choice to be born? Which of us was given the choice to be male or female? I see quite a few people are are starting to actually make that decision long after they were born. Does that count in your theory?
Getting back to the fact that wolves are not able to become sheep, nor are tares able to will themselves into becoming wheat, it stands to reason that lumps of clay do not have free will either.
It doesn't matter what my will is. What matters is God's sovereign will. Do you think God unrighteous if he fits one vessel for mercy and the other for wrath? Paul clearly states that it is a Given that God is righteous, and yet it is God's decision to make one vessel for mercy and another fitted for destruction.
Either God's will is sovereign or it isn't.
No. The question is: "what would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy?"
This isn't a trick question. It isn't convoluted, or contradictory. Even if you believe God would never do something like this, it is still possible to answer the question I actually asked. If you don't want to, you are free to ignore it, but I will simply return the favor.
This doesn't begin to address my question. You're still ignoring it.Hello Shnarkle
working on a solution you will accept that shows Gods will first.
If I assume this is you're answer to the question actually presented in the OP, you're essentially saying that you wouldn't change anything about the way you're living now. Fair enough. This still doesn't tell us anything about why, but it's definitely more than most people are able to post.God already reveal His plan for my life. I must just keep His 10 Commandments and have the faith of Jesus.
Which man was given the choice to be born? Which of us was given the choice to be male or female? I see quite a few people are are starting to actually make that decision long after they were born. Does that count in your theory?
Getting back to the fact that wolves are not able to become sheep, nor are tares able to will themselves into becoming wheat, it stands to reason that lumps of clay do not have free will either.
It doesn't matter what my will is. What matters is God's sovereign will. Do you think God unrighteous if he fits one vessel for mercy and the other for wrath? Paul clearly states that it is a Given that God is righteous, and yet it is God's decision to make one vessel for mercy and another fitted for destruction.
Either God's will is sovereign or it isn't.
No. The question is: "what would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy?"
This isn't a trick question. It isn't convoluted, or contradictory. Even if you believe God would never do something like this, it is still possible to answer the question I actually asked. If you don't want to, you are free to ignore it, but I will simply return the favor.
What did John the Baptist say while he was baptizing? "“You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? John 3:7Hello Shnarkle
After careful study, I believe I have the answer to you question. the clue that gave me the answer were, "without repentance".
What did John the Baptist say while he was baptizing? "“You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? John 3:7
See how that works? John can see through their fake repentance. God, just like the potter Paul speaks of, takes a lump of clay and creates a vessel fitted for destruction "without repentance". That means he does not repent of what he has done, but instead follows through by using them as the objects of his wrath.
Hello ShnarkleWhich man was given the choice to be born? Which of us was given the choice to be male or female? I see quite a few people are are starting to actually make that decision long after they were born. Does that count in your theory?
Getting back to the fact that wolves are not able to become sheep, nor are tares able to will themselves into becoming wheat, it stands to reason that lumps of clay do not have free will either.
It doesn't matter what my will is. What matters is God's sovereign will. Do you think God unrighteous if he fits one vessel for mercy and the other for wrath? Paul clearly states that it is a Given that God is righteous, and yet it is God's decision to make one vessel for mercy and another fitted for destruction.
Either God's will is sovereign or it isn't.
No. The question is: "what would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy?"
This isn't a trick question. It isn't convoluted, or contradictory. Even if you believe God would never do something like this, it is still possible to answer the question I actually asked. If you don't want to, you are free to ignore it, but I will simply return the favor.
This is an extremely simple question that doesn't require biblical citations, or in depth analysis of Christian doctrine. I'm just asking if you would continue to live as if you were saved, or make any changes after discovering that you were irredeemably damned.Hello Shnarkle
Here we go again! Not ignoring your wrath,
When I read your question I put myself in that position of a condemned man, my first thought was, " how do I get out of it"?
As a Christian, I turned to the Bible to see if God had any answer how to do that. I used scripture to show what I thought were the answers.
But you did not accept them and then described me as terrified and other unkind names because you said I did not consider other things
which I was not told, such as some potters and Paul hypothetical theory and the vessels of wrath not being able to repent.
You did this without even knowing me, my back ground, my education, years of study, or belief about God the Father and His only Begotten Son.
I`m telling you that you are mistaken about my being afraid and not know things only you seem to know, even though your question
is hypothetical and only my personal reaction to the information of being a vessel of wrath, and fitted for destruction
So I went back to study about potters and their products of mercy and wrath.
You particular concern seem to be the hypothetic, (your designation) account of Pauls description, in Romans 9:18-23 of a potter making
vessels of clay of the same lump, to make one vessel of honour, and one unto dishonour. (vs24)
Will continue under new post, "Potters"
TonyG11
It seems like one would have to. However, I don't think that someone who loves their family would become reprobate. They would necessarily see the benefit to fidelity, loyalty, integrity, etc. I think it's something that one would have to ignore as much as possible. Live in the present moment, cherishing the blessings that God bestows upon the weeds and the flowers alike.If I knew I was a vessel of wrath, I would live life like the reprobate most likely.