False. I'm not engaging in some conditioning program at all. I'm simply using Paul's own hypothetical question in Romans 9 to springboard a logical question to anyone who cares to answer it. Evidently, you would rather pick apart the OP than actually answer it. Again, this isn't surprising at all.So reading the title for the thread I thought maybe interesting. Then I found it's really a Calvinistic approach to condition people
As Paul would point out, the potter is the one with the power to determine what to do with the clay.to say If your Calvinistic way of thinking was true and you found out you were a vessel of destruction at no choice of your own......
Well your question of IF doesn't make sense
It makes perfect sense. It's Paul's IF, and his argument is flawless.
Fallacy of Begging the Question.because it's not true anyway.
Bingo.At least in my opinion.
Strawman argument. Again, this is NOT Paul's argument. Paul's argument assumes God's righteousness and the fact that he is justified in determining the purpose and eternal destiny of each lump of clay he creates.I think therefore it takes people down a road of needlessly saying not so nice things about the Creator over a hypothetical that's unjustified.
Or to put it this way. Why should people seek to answer a question like what would you do if you discovered your spouse was unfaithful? Why is it that I should even allow my imagination to go down that road?
As I have pointed out repeatedly, it isn't a pleasant idea to entertain in the first place. Hence my request that people simply answer the question rather than pretending to answer the question, or thinking it appropriate to go on some wild goose chase.
So that excludes your belief that I am in any way suggesting anything less than the best from God or His creation.Love believes the best of another and won't give it a second thought.
Again, this is nothing less than a blatant Strawman argument. There is nothing in this OP that suggests you need to question God's judgements. In fact, I am presenting a hypothetical situation where God is justified in his condemnation. The fact is that this is also right in line with Paul's argument which points out that the whole world is lost, and deserving of damnation. It is only through God's grace, which has nothing to do with anything you may have ever done, or will ever do. You can't bribe God with good works to save you.Allowing the mind to question your spouse or even God for no fair reason isn't honoring either of them.
The OP is exclusively dealing with Paul's argument in his letter to the Romans which means you can banish any and all Calvinistic ideas from your mind.
Given these facts, you should have no problem answering the question, especially since I am not presenting anything of a Calvinistic nature to begin with.