I think that God's free and sovereign grace polishes those vessels of mercy to shine God's mercy while simultaneously preparing those vessels of wrath to eagerly receive it.Also, knowing I was "unsavable" I would either contemplate suicide or try to make life last as long as possible.
This question of the potter and the clay, making vessels of wrath or vessels of mercy is a great question. It seems identical to goats and sheep.
FWIW, I believe TULIP is Biblical although one poster mentioned it would be hard for Calvinists to answer. I am not sure why. Seems most people have a really hard time answering the question that Paul asked in Romans 8. Shouldn't be hard to answer. I'm not sure there is a right answer either.
I also reject Lordship Salvation in favor of Free and Sovereign Grace. Maybe the Lordship Salvation crowd would have a problem answering this, not sure.
I did not know I was getting prophetic dreams of the future when I was a tot.While it may be true that goats, swine, and wolves can become lost, the Good Shepherd will not be returning any of them to the sheepfold. No amount of will or effort (Romans 9:16) can change wolves into sheep, or tares into wheat.
Paul asks a hypothetical question in Romans 9 that Christianity is hesitant to look at for any extended length of time. The issue is one of responsibility, and the justice of God. Are those who are fashioned as "vessels fitted for destruction" responsible for their own demise, or were they created that way? Paul poses the question of why would anyone who God damns be responsible for their behavior if God created them that way? The answer from mainstream Christianity seems to be because it's their free will choice to sin. Paul doesn't respond that way though. Instead he acknowledges that the potter has the power to make one lump of clay into a vessel fitted for destruction, and another into a vessel of mercy. He essentially says, "Shut up!" because it is a Given that God is just.
The hypothetical question posed is "What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: " (vs. 22)
From an intellectual standpoint, this is a difficult issue to deal with. If one were to become acutely aware of this reality in their own life, it would be horrific, to say the least.
My question is what would you do if God, without repentance; revealed to you that you were one of these vessels fitted for destruction? Would you live your life any differently, or continue as if you were actually a vessel of mercy? Some examples of this happening in the bible are Jonah, and Jesus himself. The entire bible if full of draft dodgers who are not interested in God's plan for them.
I am not interested in discussing other scenarios, or any theology that assumes this couldn't or would never happen, or that God is somehow evil for doing something like this. Paul clearly points out that if this were the case, God is still just and righteous.
I'm just interested in finding out what anyone in general, and Christians in particular would do or how they would respond to this revelation from God.
Most Christians have no desire to address, much less answer this question. This is understandable, but it isn't an invitation to highjack the topic so I would really appreciate it if anyone who does decide to answer refrains from claiming this couldn't happen, or God would never do something like this, or bringing up any other topics in this thread.
Sorry for thinking it did.This doesn't really have anything to do with the OP. I'm not sure, but there may be a "Testimonials" forum you can post this on.
There have been a few studies done with the elderly where they were presented with the notion of going back 20 or 30 years. They were placed in a resort where everything indicated that they were living in the past. The tv programs were all from the past. The magazines, newspapers, etc. were all from 30 years earlier. The only stipulation required of them was that they were to talk in the present tense with regards to everything that was going on. Two weeks later, the participants all appeared to be younger. They were more vibrant, energetic, and had more flexibility. They didn't just appear younger, they were younger.Sorry for thinking it did.
At any rate, if someone did get a revelation for their life, they still need to rely on Jesus Christ to have confidence in Him in bringing it about.
Yet they may bear fruit and their joy may be full when their faith is in that reality of the risen Christ helping them to follow Him daily in laying aside every weight & sin.There have been a few studies done with the elderly where they were presented with the notion of going back 20 or 30 years. They were placed in a resort where everything indicated that they were living in the past. The tv programs were all from the past. The magazines, newspapers, etc. were all from 30 years earlier. The only stipulation required of them was that they were to talk in the present tense with regards to everything that was going on. Two weeks later, the participants all appeared to be younger. They were more vibrant, energetic, and had more flexibility. They didn't just appear younger, they were younger.
Their senses told them that they were living at an earlier date, and their bodies complied with what they saw. No faith, confidence, or beliefs necessary. If you look at the gospels, what you may discover is that everyone believes what they see rather than seeing what they have been taught to believe. This is why they are referred to as "witnesses", and why they can only "confess" what they have seen. Those who are not witnesses, must believe the testimony and then "profess" what they have heard. They are blessed if they can behave as if they have seen the risen Christ, but their blessing doesn't negate this distinction or the reality of the risen Christ.
In other words, the reality of the risen Christ is not dependent upon one's personal faith.