What's going on in the Southern Baptist Convention?

Beloved Daughter

Beloved Daughter

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I often read SBC Voices. They seem to be running headlong into a split regarding critical race theory, the Seminary Presidents, etc!

I understand that they were called the 'Battlin Baptists' for a reason.

I've long since left the SBC behind but it seems they are just looking for division, and strife. Terrible witness to the world.

Here is an example.

The Sufficiency of Scripture and Resolution 9 — SBC Voices
 
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kamaeq

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The bureaucrats (and a large number of the preachers) are no longer responsive to the churches of the Convention.

I gave up on them when they sealed the (IIRC) GCRTF minutes, including the open meetings, while having accredited people willing to redact the closed minutes (closed for mostly valid reasons IMO). The ones wanting them sealed outright extorted the Convention by stating that no matter what the Convention said, no group subordinate to or commissioned by the Convention would ever keep any minutes or records ever again if the Convention didn't vote to seal them.
 
Beloved Daughter

Beloved Daughter

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kamaeq said:
The bureaucrats (and a large number of the preachers) are no longer responsive to the churches of the Convention.

I gave up on them when they sealed the (IIRC) GCRTF minutes, including the open meetings, while having accredited people willing to redact the closed minutes (closed for mostly valid reasons IMO). The ones wanting them sealed outright extorted the Convention by stating that no matter what the Convention said, no group subordinate to or commissioned by the Convention would ever keep any minutes or records ever again if the Convention didn't vote to seal them.
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It started with me when the SBC refused to set down Ergun Caner and his lies, adulterous life, etc. Page Patterson covering for Daryl Hilyard. Finally, it was the slippery slope of liberalism, CRT, IIRC.

I leave them with to the mercy of God.
 
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kamaeq

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Beloved Daughter said:
It started with me when the SBC refused to set down Ergun Caner and his lies, adulterous life, etc. Page Patterson covering for Daryl Hilyard. Finally, it was the slippery slope of liberalism, CRT, IIRC.

I leave them with to the mercy of God.
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What's sad is that it appears the bulk of the local churches are only about SBC to combine for a couple of mission funds and they only try to make sure those are funded (and honest) while ignoring everything else the big megachurches are pushing with the bureaucracy.
 
OldShepherd

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And I thought the blood letting in the early 80s was bad.
I graduated from TSBTS Dec '83. While there one of my fave professors Dale Moody who had been at TSBTS since before I was born, 40+ years, and who passed the mandatory retirement age was on contract as an adjunct professor, his contract was canceled because a mission director in AR objected to some of his teaching.
 
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Hark

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Beloved Daughter said:
I often read SBC Voices. They seem to be running headlong into a split regarding critical race theory, the Seminary Presidents, etc!

I understand that they were called the 'Battlin Baptists' for a reason.

I've long since left the SBC behind but it seems they are just looking for division, and strife. Terrible witness to the world.

Here is an example.

The Sufficiency of Scripture and Resolution 9 — SBC Voices
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Ever wonder what the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes was? The deeds of the Nicolaitanes was sexual immorality whereas the doctrines of the Nicolaitanes is only a guess.. by the meaning of the name "conquest of the laity".

In scripture, the Presbytery is supposed to be in the city where the churches dwell. Nowadays, the Presbytery over a denomination of churches is located far away in a city. The difference between the 2 is obvious as the Presbytery is to be subjected to the Word of God as the churches are. The Presbytery today, you cannot do that. You do not know who those people are in the Presbytery nor can you vote for or vote out those governing from that position when they go astray Biblically.

So if a church or a pastor doe not like the direction the Presbytery is going, they risk being excommunicated and the pastor is out of a job. How is that for conquest over the laity? Just trick the churches that they need to belong to a Presbytery to avoid losing their church building somehow and the next thing you know, you have been punk'd.

So what good does a church belonging to a Presbytery do?

Jesus Christ is the Head of every believer and every Church for why the Word of God is Whom we are to be submissive to and how we can hold leaders accountable, yea, even the original Presbytery when it is in that city where churches can hold it accountable to the Word of God just as the Presbytery is supposed for the churches in that city.

I suspect the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes has the RCC fingerprints all over it as that would be something the Jesuits would try to create, if not infiltrate to sow discord and chaos from. God only knows since there can be other self serving carnal & egotistical believers, but He does hate the doctrines of the Nicolaitanes.

Is it any wonder why correcting a church doesn't happen for why believers are led to leave, scattered by the wolf that cares not for the sheep?
 
Abounds

Abounds

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The Modern world that "knows" better is seaping in.

What do you expect when anyone with a suit can lead a congregation. Soon dress suit's to boot.
 
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John t

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Please provide source material for your statement:

kamaeq said:
The bureaucrats (and a large number of the preachers) are no longer responsive to the churches of the Convention.

I gave up on them when they sealed the (IIRC) GCRTF minutes, including the open meetings, while having accredited people willing to redact the closed minutes (closed for mostly valid reasons IMO). The ones wanting them sealed outright extorted the Convention by stating that no matter what the Convention said, no group subordinate to or commissioned by the Convention would ever keep any minutes or records ever again if the Convention didn't vote to seal them.
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What do these mean? (IIRC) GCRTF
 
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T-bird1971

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One of the fundamental issues with the SBC is their drift towards "contemporary" Christianity. Their Sunday School material through Lifeway is a mile wide but only an inch deep, generic in nature, and too often politically correct vs. Biblically correct. They would rather discuss social issues than deal with the core doctrines of Scripture, God, Man, Sin, and Salvation. Most SBC churches spend more time each Sunday on "worship" with "praise teams", bands and singing with lots of emotional hand raising designed to make the congregant feel better about the "experience" and then have a 15 minute sermonette on how to make Jesus your buddy. Never mind that much of the "contemporary Christian" music and lyrics are worldly in nature, lacking any sort of sound theology/doctrine, and written by artists with heretical beliefs. The convention model in itself is not Biblical, and much of the money designed for missions never actually gets to the mission field, but again it makes members feel better about themselves for giving. They wonder why their membership is on a steady decline, teens are abandoning the church as soon as they get out of high school and not returning. I've been speaking out against the liberal drift for years, but it often seems no one is listening.
 
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RiJoRi

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T-bird1971 said:
One of the fundamental issues with the SBC is their drift towards "contemporary" Christianity. Their Sunday School material through Lifeway is a mile wide but only an inch deep, generic in nature, and too often politically correct vs. Biblically correct. They would rather discuss social issues than deal with the core doctrines of Scripture, God, Man, Sin, and Salvation. Most SBC churches spend more time each Sunday on "worship" with "praise teams", bands and singing with lots of emotional hand raising designed to make the congregant feel better about the "experience" and then have a 15 minute sermonette on how to make Jesus your buddy. Never mind that much of the "contemporary Christian" music and lyrics are worldly in nature, lacking any sort of sound theology/doctrine, and written by artists with heretical beliefs. The convention model in itself is not Biblical, and much of the money designed for missions never actually gets to the mission field, but again it makes members feel better about themselves for giving. They wonder why their membership is on a steady decline, teens are abandoning the church as soon as they get out of high school and not returning. I've been speaking out against the liberal drift for years, but it often seems no one is listening.
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Sadly, I agree with what you have said, even though I don't know much about the missions monies. I see "contemporary" as "con-TEMPORARY" - who remembers the pop song from 10 years ago? Yet the hymns have shown staying power - not to mention good theology!
I fear we are slipping into the great apostasy...

--Rich
 
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kamaeq

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John t said:
Please provide source material for your statement:



What do these mean? (IIRC) GCRTF
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Great Commission Resurgence Task Force

Nope, if you don't even know what the GCRTF is in the SBC, then you don't need any "source material". I found it important enough to watch the stream of the Convention where it happened. edit

The SBC has forgotten one simple truth: Preach the Word.

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. (2Ti 4:2)

Amazing how many problems that simple verse fixes. It fills the pews, fills the coffers, brings people to Christ.
 
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Beloved Daughter

Beloved Daughter

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kamaeq said:
Great Commission Resurgence Task Force

Nope, if you don't even know what the GCRTF is in the SBC, then you don't need any "source material". I found it important enough to watch the stream of the Convention where it happened. I'd suggest you learn to use search engines.

The SBC has forgotten one simple truth: Preach the Word.

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. (2Ti 4:2)

Amazing how many problems that simple verse fixes. It fills the pews, fills the coffers, brings people to Christ.
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This is true statement. They are running headlong to destruction. They don't use the Bible any longer they use 'social justice'.
 
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RiJoRi

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Beloved Daughter said:
This is true statement. They are running headlong to destruction. They don't use the Bible any longer they use 'social justice'.
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There is still hope - we attend a SBC church here in NC, and the pastor preaches the Word, sermon after sermon. If he wandered off into "social justice" stuff, we - including his preacher dad - would "have a woid wit' him, ya know?"

And anyway, isn't it a Baptist sport to split off from each other? 🙄 😂

--Rich
 
Bonnie

Bonnie

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T-bird1971 said:
One of the fundamental issues with the SBC is their drift towards "contemporary" Christianity. Their Sunday School material through Lifeway is a mile wide but only an inch deep, generic in nature, and too often politically correct vs. Biblically correct. They would rather discuss social issues than deal with the core doctrines of Scripture, God, Man, Sin, and Salvation. Most SBC churches spend more time each Sunday on "worship" with "praise teams", bands and singing with lots of emotional hand raising designed to make the congregant feel better about the "experience" and then have a 15 minute sermonette on how to make Jesus your buddy. Never mind that much of the "contemporary Christian" music and lyrics are worldly in nature, lacking any sort of sound theology/doctrine, and written by artists with heretical beliefs. The convention model in itself is not Biblical, and much of the money designed for missions never actually gets to the mission field, but again it makes members feel better about themselves for giving. They wonder why their membership is on a steady decline, teens are abandoning the church as soon as they get out of high school and not returning. I've been speaking out against the liberal drift for years, but it often seems no one is listening.
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You might appriciate this little YouTube of Clint Eastwood reading contemporary praise music:

 
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imJRR

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RiJoRi said:
Sadly, I agree with what you have said, even though I don't know much about the missions monies. I see "contemporary" as "con-TEMPORARY" - who remembers the pop song from 10 years ago? Yet the hymns have shown staying power - not to mention good theology!
I fear we are slipping into the great apostasy...

--Rich
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I take it you are referring to 2 Thess. 2:3.

I've had the nagging thought for 30 years or so that we are at least at the beginning of that apostasy/falling away/rebellion. Some of the fault does belong to churches that have lost focusing on Scripture and sound doctrine. But, I also think there's more to it than that.
 
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