What's going on in the Southern Baptist Convention?

Bonnie

Super Member
Jesus treated women with respect and he also allowed Mary to sit at His feet. This speaks loudly because normally that was the place for the men, they women were meant to serve. To me it is hard to understand why women are still suffering when they report abuse. They are hurt by the abuse and then hurt again when they try to report it. It is also unfair to all the men out there who respect women.
Good post. Yes, Jesus did respect women and treat them kindly. And look to whom He gave the honor of seeing Him first at His resurrection! :)
 

balshan

Well-known member
Good post. Yes, Jesus did respect women and treat them kindly. And look to whom He gave the honor of seeing Him first at His resurrection! :)
excellent point. In a couple of churches we had been in, I really questioned God about why he bothered giving me a brain. The old pastor was a Methodist circuit preacher. He used to travel on horseback. He gave us these tapes but he had not realised what was on that last tape. The man helped me realise I could have a brain and I could question and that was fine.

He gave me books on Catherine Booth and Wesley's women. So helpful.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
excellent point. In a couple of churches we had been in, I really questioned God about why he bothered giving me a brain. The old pastor was a Methodist circuit preacher. He used to travel on horseback. He gave us these tapes but he had not realised what was on that last tape. The man helped me realise I could have a brain and I could question and that was fine.

He gave me books on Catherine Booth and Wesley's women. So helpful.
Did you tell this gentleman what was on the last tape? If so, was he as horrified as we are?
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
Sad. Now, about a wife submitting to her husband....my husband once told me that Paul was writing to husbands who were Christians. Submit means yield, not suppress. So, yes, a wife should yield to her husband's loving leadership in a marriage, as he is her head. But NOT if he is abusive and cruel! If he is and refuses to change, he has abandoned his marriage vows and does not love his wife as Christ loves the church. My church frowns on divorce in most instances, but not when the wife's life is in danger from her husband and he refuses to get help or change!

And... Paul used women to teach new converts.

Junias and Priscilla were women apostles.

Romans 16:3-7
"Greet Prisca and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus, who for my life risked their own necks, to whom not only do I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles; also greet the church that is in their house. Greet Epaenetus, my beloved, who is the first convert to Christ from Asia. Greet Mary, who has worked hard for you. Greet Andronicus and Junias, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners, who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me."

Philip had four daughters who were prophetesses.

Acts 21:7-9
"When we had finished the voyage from Tyre, we arrived at Ptolemais, and after greeting the brethren, we stayed with them for a day. On the next day we left and came to Caesarea, and entering the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, we stayed with him. Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses."

The prophet Joel foretold of the day when God would pour out his Spirit and both sons and daughters would prophesy. At Pentecost Peter declared that prophesy beginning its fulfillment.

Joel 2:28-29
"It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions. Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days."

Acts 2:14-17 (ESV)
"But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: 'Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: ‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams...'"

According to Acts 1:12-14 it is likely Mary was present at Pentecost and among the disciples upon whom the Holy Spirit fell.

Acts 1:12-14 (NASB)
"Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journey away. When they had entered the city, they went up to the upper room where they were staying; that is, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon the Zealot, and Judas the son of James. These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers."
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
The SBC convention over and Pastor Litton was chosen as the new SBC President.

Take a look at his work:


At first they all ducked for cover. Then 143 sermons from Litton's site vanished. Then came an apology. Today, the SBC'ers are mocking those who brought out this truth about their leadership.

What message is the SBC sending to unbelievers?

"Sin sick"
 

imJRR

Active member
Some of the biggest problemS (plural) that I personally have found with the plagiarism issue are that:
a) I've gotten different descriptions of it, depending on who I talk with. It makes for loooong (and kind of frustrating) conversations, because I'm constantly asking, "Can you explain what you mean by that in more specific detail? Can you give me an illustration/application?" I'm genuinely not trying to be annoying or dodge or bog down the issue - I just want to make sure both I and the person I'm talking with are on the same page.

b) There are some sermons that many, MANY pastors do use - at least the outlines of them. For example, there is a sermon called "A 4 Way Look At Communion"; the basic outline of which goes like this:
Look Back - At Christ and what He did for you
Look Around - Communion is a Family Meal
Look Inward - Self examination
Look Ahead - He's coming back

Now...Call me crazy if you want, but I personally believe it is possible that that sermon outline could well be over a thousand years old. I mean, it's SO basic that I can't see it not being literally ancient.

c) The Holy Spirit has gifted wonderful Bible expositors and teachers over the years (centuries). I believe it would be kind of foolish to not read and use their insights. And yes, there are times when they say things better than what I can - Although I do very, very. very much believe in filtering what someone else does to the point where the result is YOUR OWN as much as possible.

My apologies if this post throws things off-topic.
 
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