What's reality?

Tercon

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And it's already failing. Do you even know what you're talking about?

Nope.

You just bloviate and ignore. It's called "pulling a Tercon" now.

Do you? You reason and sound like an atheist rather than a believer.

Not an opinion. You don't understand philosophy 101, dude. Are you even old enough to have taken this course??? Nope. MY TOYS! MINE!!!!
That's not a first principle.
Sure it is, as your opinion of my first principle doesn't have anything to do with if you approve of it or not silly. It's mine. So, if you don't share it then you need to show how and why it isn't true. And if you can't, then you can keep whining like a spoiled kid.

Nope. Truly, you have a dizzying intellect...

Wow. That was a HUGE whine.

Just answer my question from eons ago, deflector and awful debator.

Stop being such a bluff and deal with what's be said to you and show me some of YOUR "dizzying intellect".

My answer:
Everything is belief based. And if it isn't in the form of a belief, then it has nothing to do with the truth or reality. God tells us to believe for a reason, because He uses belief to do everything He does. God doesn't do things to us, rather He does it with us; He believes with us and that makes us a part of His truth and reality = His Kingdom.
 

Woody50

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Do you? You reason and sound like an atheist rather than a believer.
Oh? How so? Because we both show you your own illogic and self-centeredness?
Sure it is
THAT is your answer? Typical...
Stop being such a bluff and deal with what's be said to you and show me some of YOUR "dizzying intellect"
Simple. Answer questions. You cannot or will not. I don't care, you just bloviate and ignore the fawlty towers that you've built.

What are you...16?
My answer:
Everything is belief based.
That doesn't pass the first principle test. Do you make the sun come up because of belief?

Nope.

Your first principle fails. So nobody should believe a word you say. Ever.

C'mon. Philosophy 101. Take the course and learn. OR...just read the Bible.
 

Tercon

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Oh? How so? Because we both show you your own illogic and self-centeredness?

No, it is because you're both illogical and arrogant. And you projection that unto everyone except where it rightly belongs.

THAT is your answer? Typical...

Sure, because neither of you has refuted what I said yet.

Simple. Answer questions. You cannot or will not. I don't care, you just bloviate and ignore the fawlty towers that you've built.

I do. And of course you don't care about the truth or reality, because the truth about the only way and place that either is known to you is lost on you as well.

What are you...16?

No. But I know a 16 year old who knows better than you do.

That doesn't pass the first principle test.

Your opinion as to my first principle is irrelevant, because it is mine remember silly.

Do you make the sun come up because of belief?

No, but because of a Our believing minds I get to know what it is and witness God's glory in it. God creates in and with His believing mind and believers are just along for the ride. For now anyway.

Nope.

Your first principle fails. So nobody should believe a word you say. Ever.

Why would they do a silly thing like that, when you have not shown what I said to be false or illogical, so they can be just as silly as you?

C'mon. Philosophy 101. Take the course and learn. OR...just read the Bible.

I have studied both logic and the Bible for many years. But if you have something true to say beside all the hubris and hate, then say it.
 

Woody50

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No, it is because you're both illogical and arrogant.
Evidence?
And you projection that unto everyone except where it rightly belongs.
"You projection?" English, Stanley...English.
Sure, because neither of you has refuted what I said yet.
It's called a rebuttal.

Either of whom? You have MPD?
I do. And of course you don't care about the truth or reality, because the truth about the only way and place that either is known to you is lost on you as well.
Fawlty Towers??? You didn't even get that?

You're such a kid...

That was funny.
No. But I know a 16 year old who knows better than you do.
Introduce me to this 16 year old. Sounds wiser than you.
Your opinion as to my first principle is irrelevant, because it is mine remember silly.
Again. Do you even KNOW what the First Principle is? Read Plato to start (I know, you've not read anything aside from "Divergent," so I understand.).
Why would they do a silly thing like that, when you have not shown what I said to be false or illogical, so they can be just as silly as you?
LOL. Keep talking, Turk.
I have studied both logic and the Bible for many years.
Study more, then. You suck at this.
But if you have something true to say beside all the hubris and hate, then say it.
You whine like a mule. Grow up and learn, Turk.
 

Nouveau

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I have studied both logic and the Bible for many years.
Well, half of that might be true. We both know you've never studied logic.

You do realize that Woody is just trolling you, right? (See his post below for proof.)
 
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Tercon

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Well, half of that might be true. We both know you've never studied logic.

You do realize that Woody is just trolling you, right? (See his post below for proof.)

I can't help it if you're so deluded by your ignorant unbelief that you don't recognize logic.
 

Tercon

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Evidence?

The Reader is welcome to go back over your posting history and get all the "evidence" they need.

"You projection?" English, Stanley...English.

Read for comprehension Hardy.

It's called a rebuttal.

No, that's called delusional.

Either of whom? You have MPD?

You're posting beyond your pay grade silly. Stick to the name calling.

Fawlty Towers??? You didn't even get that? You're such a kid...

I don't share anything with you; including your silly sense of humor.

That was funny.

Introduce me to this 16 year old.

What for, she has been taught to run when she encounters people like you.

Sounds wiser than you.

She's smart enough to avoid people like you.

Again. Do you even KNOW what the First Principle is? Read Plato to start (I know, you've not read anything aside from "Divergent," so I understand.).

Evasion.

LOL. Keep talking, Turk.
Study more, then. You suck at this.
You whine like a mule. Grow up and learn, Turk.

"Keep it up" you and the atheists are "winning" the race to the abyss.
 

Tercon

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Reality would be all that exists, but I'm not sure how I could know that.

Actually the truth and reality is all that can be known to exist and occur. And it all takes place in and because of a believing mind.

Like I said; I have held human brains in my hands and it couldn't tell me any more than a rock about the person who owned it at one time. But a believing mind informs the believer and whoever else is willing to believe of the truth and reality.

It seems likely there are things that are real that I could not even think.

Stop for a minute and think about what you just said. You said "it seems likely there are things that are real that I could not even think". Are you a child of God? And are there "things that are real that" our Father and His Spirit "could not even think"? If you are a believer in the truth and reality of God you need to start believing like a child of God, because there is nothing that is real that is hidden from the Spirit of truth. And if He indwells you; then the Father withholds nothing from you.
 

Tercon

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Because it is the only plausible explanation for the continuity of our experiences. Why is the rock still there after I close then reopen my eyes?

Do you believe or disbelieve it is there?

Did it cease to exist because my perception of it ceased? No.

No, you continue to know it exists because you believe it to exist silly.

he better explanation is that the real rock is distinct from my interrupted perceptions, continues to exist when my eyes are closed, and causes the same perceptions again once my eyes are reopened.

You continue to know it exists just because you continue to believe it exists, as perception hasn't anything to do with what you know exists silly..
 

Nouveau

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I can't help it if you're so deluded by your ignorant unbelief that you don't recognize logic.
No-one recognizes Terconian logic, and you won't find it in any textbook.

It has precisely one practitioner in the known universe, and he doesn't answer questions.
 

Nouveau

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Do you believe or disbelieve it is there?

No, you continue to know it exists because you believe it to exist silly.

You continue to know it exists just because you continue to believe it exists, as perception hasn't anything to do with what you know exists silly.
By splitting my post up you've managed to miss the entire point of what I was saying. You were also replying to a post from 3 months ago. My point was that we can know the rock continues to exist outside of our mind because this is the best explanation for the continuity of our perceptions.
 

Tercon

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Just because God shares his mind and nature with me, does not follow that I have the attributes of God.

Strawman, I didn't say that believers have "the attributes of God". I said God shares His Spirit with His children so believers can know and understand how and why He does what He does. And in knowing this believers have no fear of what there is to come, because we win. We can even watch and understand how He does it as well. So, IOW we are just along for the ride, but He does all the driving.

That sounds like a spirit of error, something is very wrong with what you are saying.

Strawmanning tends to lead to error.
 
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Tercon

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No-one recognizes Terconian logic, and you won't find it in any textbook.

It has precisely one practitioner in the known universe, and he doesn't answer questions.

You don't recognize logic but some do. If all QM models require and entail observation and measurement before WFC and entanglement can be known to occur, then that means that the ONLY way and place that physicality can be known to occur is in and with a believing mind.

By splitting my post up you've managed to miss the entire point of what I was saying. You were also replying to a post from 3 months ago. My point was that we can know the rock continues to exist outside of our mind because this is the best explanation for the continuity of our perceptions.

Actually if the only way and place "we can know the rock continues to exist" when we are not perceiving it is by believing it exists, and belief requires and entails a believing mind, then how can we "know the rock continues to exist outside of our mind", when belief entails and requires a mind silly? You need to stop pretending you know logic, because your words say otherwise.
 

Nouveau

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You don't recognize logic but some do.
Unsupported. I recognize actual logic. No-one on the planet but you recognizes Terconian logic.

If all QM models require and entail observation and measurement before WFC and entanglement can be known to occur, then that means that the ONLY way and place that physicality can be known to occur is in and with a believing mind.
Again, this is not what actual physicists say.

Actually if the only way and place "we can know the rock continues to exist" when we are not perceiving it is by believing it exists, and belief requires and entails a believing mind, then how can we "know the rock continues to exist outside of our mind", when belief entails and requires a mind silly? You need to stop pretending you know logic, because your words say otherwise.
Again, this doesn't address my point that we can know the rock continues to exist outside of our mind because this is the best explanation for the continuity of our perceptions.
 

Tercon

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The accusation of strawman, can itself be a strawman, you know. It's an easy way to get out of the consequences of what you said to claim misrepresentation.

Not in this case, in this case you are strawmanning, I didn't say that believers have "the attributes of God", nor did I imply it.

This is what I said: God shares His Spirit with His children so believers can know and understand how and why He does what He does. And in knowing this believers have no fear of what there is to come, because we win. We can even watch and understand how He does it as well. So, IOW we are just along for the ride, but He does all the driving.

You literally said "And if He indwells you; then the Father withholds nothing from you."

Yes, 'the Father withholds nothing from' us in regards to the gifts of the Spirit that He has for us. You are the one who is suggesting that I meant "the attributes of God" like omniscience. But I didn't mean that at all.

That is simply untrue. God has things I do not. His "believing mind" will always know things that my "believing mind" does not know.

More strawmanning, I didn't say nor imply that God does not have His own "believing mind". And He does know things that our believing minds will not know. Rather He shares His Spirit with us and His Spirit shares the things that are for us.

The things you are saying seem unbiblical to me, Tercon, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.

Your strawman is certainly unbiblical, but what I said and meant isn't.
 

Tercon

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Unsupported. I recognize actual logic. No-one on the planet but you recognizes Terconian logic.

No you don't. And below is a good example of you doing just that.

Again, this is not what actual physicists say.

The problem that you and physicist have is that you cannot show otherwise. The logical truth exposes the atheist folly.

If all QM models require and entail observation and measurement before WFC and entanglement can be known to occur, then that means that the ONLY way and place that physicality can be known to occur is in and with a believing mind.

Explain how you now that "observation and measurement" isn't necessarily entailed in WFC and entanglement to occur.

Again, this doesn't address my point that we can know the rock continues to exist outside of our mind because this is the best explanation for the continuity of our perceptions.

Sure it does, because you can't show or know anything including QM models without a believing mind, belief is necessarily entailed in everything we know to occur. And because the ONLY things you know about rocks are what you believe about them entails a believing mind. And your perceptions tell you nothing about the truth and reality, only a believing mind is capable of that.

Actually if the only way and place "we can know the rock continues to exist" when we are not perceiving it is by believing it exists, and belief requires and entails a believing mind, then how can we "know the rock continues to exist outside of our mind", when belief entails and requires a mind silly? You need to stop pretending you know logic, because your words say otherwise.
 

Nouveau

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No you don't. And below is a good example of you doing just that.
Of course I don't understand Terconian logic. No-one does, and you just seem to make it up as you go along.

The problem that you and physicist have is that you cannot show otherwise. The logical truth exposes the atheist folly.

If all QM models require and entail observation and measurement before WFC and entanglement can be known to occur, then that means that the ONLY way and place that physicality can be known to occur is in and with a believing mind.

Explain how you now that "observation and measurement" isn't necessarily entailed in WFC and entanglement to occur.
I've already quoted physicists explaining how and why you are wrong about QM. Your only response has been to declare that you know physics better than actual physicists on account of your personal religious beliefs.

Sure it does, because you can't show or know anything including QM models without a believing mind, belief is necessarily entailed in everything we know to occur. And because the ONLY things you know about rocks are what you believe about them entails a believing mind. And your perceptions tell you nothing about the truth and reality, only a believing mind is capable of that.

Actually if the only way and place "we can know the rock continues to exist" when we are not perceiving it is by believing it exists, and belief requires and entails a believing mind, then how can we "know the rock continues to exist outside of our mind", when belief entails and requires a mind silly? You need to stop pretending you know logic, because your words say otherwise.
What do you think my point was that this response supposedly addresses? Do you know? Can you explain it to me in your own words? Because you don't seem to be engaging with my point at all.
 

Whateverman

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The things you are saying seem unbiblical to me, Tercon, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.
I've generally watched Christians dismiss his ideas in the Christian sections of this forum. It's pretty clear those ideas get very little support anywhere - and this is reinforced by the fact that he refuses to answer questions. He's been restating the same stuff for a decade now...
 
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