What's the point of election if,

civic

Well-known member
It doesn't seem to learned much from Jesus.

16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits.


You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.

18 But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
And what fruit do you see or not see on this forum with Calvinists ?

Either list the unfruitful deeds of darkness you see/presume-or recant.

Those are your only two valid options.

hope this helps !!!
 

harfad

New Member
In particular ?
Making a mistake in doctrine, or having an errant theology, is not by itself "bad fruit". It is how one responds to a correction of it that can be identified as bad fruit. Persistence in error, in spite of repeated correction, and in spite of overwhelming evidence, can no longer be excused as an innocent "mistake," or an "error in judgement". It now becomes unrighteous conduct, which is what Jesus meant "bad fruit". As Samuel said to Saul: "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee ..." (1 Samuel 15:23 KJV). There is more than one way of "rejecting the word of the Lord". Saul's way was one way, but not the only one. There are lots of other ways, and all of them are as bad as each other, and bring one under condemnation.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Making a mistake in doctrine, or having an errant theology, is not by itself "bad fruit". It is how one responds to a correction of it that can be identified as bad fruit. Persistence in error, in spite of repeated correction, and in spite of overwhelming evidence, can no longer be excused as an innocent "mistake," or an "error in judgement". It now becomes unrighteous conduct, which is what Jesus meant "bad fruit". As Samuel said to Saul: "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee ..." (1 Samuel 15:23 KJV). There is more than one way of "rejecting the word of the Lord". Saul's way was one way, but not the only one. There are lots of other ways, and all of them are as bad as each other, and bring one under condemnation.
So that is the charge being directed

It is something that may be addressed or not

after specific example should one chose
 

praise_yeshua

Active member
What is the point of election if God is only choosing those whom He foresaw will already choose him?

The Biblical doctrine of Election is all about God's choice in Jesus Christ. The Calvinist twists this Truth into a false doctrine where God chooses THEM....

They say they "praise God" when it is really all about themselves. You know how we can tell? Because their doctrine is always focused upon THEM.
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
The Biblical doctrine of Election is all about God's choice in Jesus Christ. The Calvinist twists this Truth into a false doctrine where God chooses THEM....

That's what the Bible teaches.
I'm sorry you reject the Bible.

They say they "praise God" when it is really all about themselves. You know how we can tell? Because their doctrine is always focused upon THEM.

I've never seen any Calvinist focus the doctrine on themselves.
Only hateful anti-Calvinists like you MAKE it about us.
 

praise_yeshua

Active member
That's what the Bible teaches.
I'm sorry you reject the Bible.



I've never seen any Calvinist focus the doctrine on themselves.
Only hateful anti-Calvinists like you MAKE it about us.

Funny... You post verse and highlight the word "us" in them and then claim you don't make it "about us"......

Why not highlight Jesus Christ in those verses?

I know why.... because it ALL ABOUT YOU.
 
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