What's your eternity going to be like?

[SteveB]

Now now Pixie, just because you trigger easily doesn't mean others will.

If it will make you feel better I can mix up a metaphor or butcher a phrase just for you!

Please....

I need a good laugh this morning.

🤭

 

[Furion]

Please....

I need a good laugh this morning.

🤭

How many liberals does it take to create an atheist?

FYI: I can also create jokes with no punchline.

Glad it's entertaining for y'all. I get tired of the unimaginative snark constantly posted around here.

Even the nice christians and atheists can't help themselves.

 

[SteveB]

Seems like the atheists have worn themselves out, and stopped commenting, so I'll restate the op.



Hell is dark, 1 John 1:5, God is light.

There's only death in hell because God is life, John 1:4

There's only hatred in hell because 1 John 4:16 says God is love.

There's no mercy in hell because Psalm 36:5 says God's mercies are in the heavens

There's no strength in hell because Psalm 18:32 says God gives us strength.

There's no water in hell because Deuteronomy 11:11 says water is the rain of heaven.

There's no peace in hell because Isaiah 9:6 says God is the prince of peace.

There's no understanding, wisdom or knowledge in hell because God gives all three, Proverbs 2:6, Ecclesiastes 2:26, Daniel 2:21.

There's no joy in hell because God gives joy. Ecclesiastes 2:26, Galatians 5:22.

There is no satisfaction in hell because God gives all to enjoy, and be satisfied with. Joel 2:19, 26

There is no comfort in hell because God is comfort. 2 Corinthians 1:3-7.

There are none of the things that make life worthwhile, because God gives all, Acts 14:17.

There is no encouragement in hell because God is the God of encouragement, Romans 15:5

There is no hope in hell because God gives us hope through the scriptures. Romans 15:4.

So, if God removes himself from the situation, all the good goes with him.

You can't have the good without God.

You can't separate the two.

So, if you're the person who says- "I don't want anything to do with God,"

Fine.

There's a place prepared that has nothing to do with him.

It's known as hell and later, the lake of fire.

Neither God, nor we who follow Jesus want you to spend your eternity there. It's why Jesus came.

As it's written,

Joh 3:16-17 WEB 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

Please. Come follow Jesus.

Everything that pertains to life and godliness are with God.

It's described as paradise because in God, Everything that makes life worthwhile, enjoyable, satisfying, God is and gives.

 

[SteveB]

And I suppose we can't forget Jeremiah's video. It really does explain it well.

 

[Tyrion]

Seems like the atheists have worn themselves out, and stopped commenting, so I'll restate the op.



Hell is dark, 1 John 1:5, God is light.

There's only death in hell because God is life, John 1:4

There's only hatred in hell because 1 John 4:16 says God is love.

There's no mercy in hell because Psalm 36:5 says God's mercies are in the heavens

There's no strength in hell because Psalm 18:32 says God gives us strength.

There's no water in hell because Deuteronomy 11:11 says water is the rain of heaven.

There's no peace in hell because Isaiah 9:6 says God is the prince of peace.

There's no understanding, wisdom or knowledge in hell because God gives all three, Proverbs 2:6, Ecclesiastes 2:26, Daniel 2:21.

There's no joy in hell because God gives joy. Ecclesiastes 2:26, Galatians 5:22.

There is no satisfaction in hell because God gives all to enjoy, and be satisfied with. Joel 2:19, 26

There is no comfort in hell because God is comfort. 2 Corinthians 1:3-7.

There are none of the things that make life worthwhile, because God gives all, Acts 14:17.

There is no encouragement in hell because God is the God of encouragement, Romans 15:5

There is no hope in hell because God gives us hope through the scriptures. Romans 15:4.

So, if God removes himself from the situation, all the good goes with him.

You can't have the good without God.

You can't separate the two.

So, if you're the person who says- "I don't want anything to do with God,"

Fine.

There's a place prepared that has nothing to do with him.

It's known as hell and later, the lake of fire.

Neither God, nor we who follow Jesus want you to spend your eternity there. It's why Jesus came.

As it's written,

Joh 3:16-17 WEB 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through him.

Please. Come follow Jesus.

Everything that pertains to life and godliness are with God.

It's described as paradise because in God, Everything that makes life worthwhile, enjoyable, satisfying, God is and gives.

That looks like it might be very meaningful to someone who believes there is a God, and that the Bible is His word, but it might not be the best way to try to persuade atheists.

 

[SteveB]

That looks like it might be very meaningful to someone who believes there is a God, and that the Bible is His word, but it might not be the best way to try to persuade atheists.

Their unbelief is their decision.
Everyone needs to choose for themselves.

I simply present the biblical facts as they are.

Their unbelief in Jesus will let them experience what they don't believe. For all eternity.

They won't have any excuse. They'll die knowing exactly what awaits them.

 

[Tyrion]

Their unbelief is their decision.
Everyone needs to choose for themselves.

I simply present the biblical facts as they are.

Their unbelief in Jesus will let them experience what they don't believe. For all eternity.

They won't have any excuse. They'll die knowing exactly what awaits them.

The fact that you say something, or that the Bible says it, doesn't mean that everyone who hears it "knows" it. To know it, you kind of have to believe it.

 

[SteveB]

The fact that you say something, or that the Bible says it, doesn't mean that everyone who hears it "knows" it. To know it, you kind of have to believe it.

I don't think they would know it before they're told/explained/described the problem and situation.

One they are however told/explained/described, it's on them to decide whether they want to take the time to learn more, or simply ignore it.

They do however now know.

 

[Tyrion]

I don't think they would know it before they're told/explained/described the problem and situation.

One they are however told/explained/described, it's on them to decide whether they want to take the time to learn more, or simply ignore it.

They do however now know.

In the same way that they know about the Loch Ness monster, bigoot, alien abductions, etc.

 

[SteveB]

In the same way that they know about the Loch Ness monster, bigoot, alien abductions, etc.

If I wanted to discuss them, I would have previously done so. I have after all been on this forum for over a decade now. Thus, plenty of time and opportunity has been available.

My interest however is Jesus, YHVH, and the Bible.

I'm curious.... did you think that I have just started discussing this topic?
I've been at this for over a decade now.

 

[Tyrion]

If I wanted to discuss them, I would have previously done so. I have after all been on this forum for over a decade now. Thus, plenty of time and opportunity has been available.

My interest however is Jesus, YHVH, and the Bible.

I'm curious.... did you think that I have just started discussing this topic?
I've been at this for over a decade now.

I was aware that you've been doing this for a long time.

 

[SteveB]

I was aware that you've been doing this for a long time.

OK. So what do you think I'm supposed to be doing that you're disagreeing with here?

Did you think that I'm supposed to take an entire decade of posts, and load them into a single post, so that everything ever discussed is incorporated into a single sitting?
Just remember..... mgmt has limited posts to 10,000 characters. So, I'm curious how you think I'm not doing this right.

 

[Tyrion]

OK. So what do you think I'm supposed to be doing that you're disagreeing with here?

Did you think that I'm supposed to take an entire decade of posts, and load them into a single post, so that everything ever discussed is incorporated into a single sitting?
Just remember..... mgmt has limited posts to 10,000 characters. So, I'm curious how you think I'm not doing this right.

I'm not claiming that you are supposed to be doing anything here. I just thought you might like a little feedback. If not, fine, just ignore what I have to say.

If your goal is simply to tell atheists what the Bible says, you're doing fine. But I suspect the atheists here aren't hearing anything they haven't heard before. I know I'm not.

If your goal was to convince atheists that there is something problematic about being an atheist, I seriously doubt that just telling them what the Bible says is going to convince anyone.

 

[Eightcrackers]

If your goal was to convince atheists that there is something problematic about being an atheist, I seriously doubt that just telling them what the Bible says is going to convince anyone.

To play devil's advocate for a moment... what else have they got?

 

[SteveB]

I'm not claiming that you are supposed to be doing anything here. I just thought you might like a little feedback. If not, fine, just ignore what I have to say.

Thank you.
I've been made aware of these things by atheists for the entire time I've been here.
To them God's word is nothing more than fairy tales for frightened children.
Which is amusing, because YHVH said that His Word will achieve the purpose for which he gave it. Isaiah 55:8-11.
I'm acutely aware of their disdain for it.

If your goal is simply to tell atheists what the Bible says, you're doing fine.

thank you.

But I suspect the atheists here aren't hearing anything they haven't heard before.

Nope. But considering that everything they're told, including the latest Apologetics arguments, they find fault with, and seek to cut their teeth on refuting, I've decided not to spend my efforts on.

It's rather amusing to me that all the same topics which are a problem for them are rehashed over and over and over and over again repeatedly, seeking to try some nuance they'd previously ignored.

And I focus on the items that I see as material. Nuances included.

I know I'm not.

Considering that the truth has been available for the past 4 millennia, I'm not sure how anyone who has taken the time to learn would hear anything new.
Man sinned not long after the beginning.
He experienced separation from God, and the human race has lived like this ever since.
They've lived in this state long enough to have concocted a lot of really wild ideas. The Bible is the only explanation given to us by our creator.
People apparently are terrified of this idea, and prefer the darkness rather than the light of truth.
Jesus said, those who are of the truth hear my voice.

If your goal was to convince atheists that there is something problematic about being an atheist, I seriously doubt that just telling them what the Bible says is going to convince anyone.

No more than trying to talk a dedicated terrorist down from perpetrating their terrorism.

 

[SteveB]

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[Tyrion]

To play devil's advocate for a moment... what else have they got?

I seriously doubt that they have anything that would convince me. I looked for something like that for a long time, and I suspect I would have found it if it existed.

But it seems like merely quoting the Bible, without giving any reason to believe that it's true, would be particularly ineffective, if the goal was to convince.

 

[SteveB]

If your goal was to convince atheists that there is something problematic about being an atheist.

To play devil's advocate for a moment... what else have they got?

Nothing more than a speed bump, and a roadside sign warning against continuing along this path, because only death is ahead, and it's not too late to turn back.

 

[SteveB]

I seriously doubt that they have anything that would convince me. I looked for something like that for a long time, and I suspect I would have found it if it existed.

But it seems like merely quoting the Bible, without giving any reason to believe that it's true, would be particularly ineffective, if the goal was to convince.

In my world, there's only one way to actually know Truth.

It's to act on it.

Jesus said,

If you love me, you'll keep my teachings. If you keep my teachings, you will be loved by the Father, and we will come make our home with you.

It's pretty straightforward and clear...

I've been married to my wife for nearly 33 years now. We've had lots of ups and downs. But the one thing that has stuck out to me... living under the same roof, we know each other that merely saying hi, having a drink, or a meal at a restaurant would never achieve. I could never mistake her as anyone other than she is, and as a very real person.

In like manner, living under the same roof with Jesus and God makes it impossible to mistake their reality. I can't mistake them as other than they are.

In my world, the only way to know if Jesus is real, and who he claims to be is to do what he says.

Then he will demonstrate himself exactly as he stated.... if he is in fact Truth, and real.

If not, then there's nothing more.

The question then becomes....

Do you actually want to know the truth?

 

[The Pixie]

In my world, there's only one way to actually know Truth.

It's to act on it.
...

I.e., you think you know the Truth because you assume it is true (act on it).