Eightcrackers
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As I've been told countless times, it's not their job to convince.
It's their job to merely say the words.
What's your eternity going to be like?
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It's their job to merely say the words.
SteveB
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It's known as the scientific method, described in the video that Caroljeen provided the other day as the "Mother of all hypothesis" op.
Why, does it frighten you to read, take it seriously enough to investigate further by applying what you read to verify your understanding of the narrative?
SteveB
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Yep.
YHVH does the convincing.
Personally, I'd prefer to actually know it's the truth, instead of being expected to take a stranger's word on it.
Wouldn't you?
Of course. But the amount of effort that I'm going to put in to find out the truth is roughly proportional to how likely I think it is that putting in that amount of effort will get me the truth, along with how important that truth is to me.
If someone tells me I can eventually find out the truth about UFOs being aliens visiting us, by sitting on a mountaintop on the night of a new moon every month, I'm going to decide that it's not worth the effort, no matter how nice it would be to know if UFOs really are aliens visiting us. And this is the case even if they tell me that they've been in touch with the aliens, and that's how the aliens said I could contact them.
SteveB
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If you actually want to know the truth, then do what Jesus said.
i did and it took longer for me to realize what I was experiencing than it did for God to respond and make himself known to me.
sounds like you're actually trying to make the truth fit your preconceptions and not just letting it do what he says.
he was pretty clear about it.
if you continue in my teachings you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
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and those whom the Son sets free, are genuinely free.
Furthermore, he tells us- whosoever will call on his name shall be saved. So he's definitely making it really easy. We just have to call his name.
so... do you want to know the truth or do you want to complicate your life by trying to make it fit your biases and preconceptions?
it actually is possible to exclude yourself from learning the truth by force-fitting it.
I've never actually had anyone tell me that one.
I asked God two really basic questions.
1- are you for real?
2- is this Jesus stuff I'm hearing about for real, or just another pile of religious BS?
I grew up in a church. My dad sang in a choir on Sunday and beat or verbally abused my mom from Sunday night to Sunday morning.
By the time I was 11-12, I was done with my parent's beliefs.
As it was the early 70's, and I grew up in Southern California, within 2 years I was introduced to the drug culture.
Having grown up in the world I did, I had no interest in religion, drugs were quickly showing themselves to be untenable. Same with alcohol.
I was 25 miles away from Hollywood and the movie industry. It was pretty as appearances go, but as dark and destructive as the world I was living in.
So.... what do you want for yourself?
Not what religion or what philosophy, but what do you want for you?
I'm not into aliens. I suppose if you really want that, you'll never find it here. You'll have to go climb that mountain and wait.
If however you actually want the truth, call on the name of Jesus.
He tells us elsewhere that he saves to the uttermost ALL whom come through Jesus Christ.
SteveB
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For the length of time that the awareness that something was happening which I'd never experienced before.... so.... 5-10 seconds, maybe....
So, it didn't happen fast enough for you?
Thanks for your faith-based opinions, but you give none of us any reason to believe they represent objective reality.
My "eternity" is non-existent.
SteveB
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Documented facts.
Thank you for your faith-based opinion for which you give me no reason to believe it represents any objective reality.
It is described as paradise because Christianity parroted the Greek and Roman concept of Elysian Fields. Look up some of the descriptions.
SteveB
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I am.
https://a.co/d/6wXRzqq
None of what you claim is true.
You're more than welcome to provide evidence to your claim.
Everything I claimed above is true... look it up. Look up the descriptions.
The funny thing is that you think you have some kind of unique tiger by the tail with any of Christianity’s concepts and claims, especially the commonly held cultural beliefs in heaven and hell that existed MANY centuries before Christianity.
It’s a complete human based ideological and cultural rip-off, not even close to a revelation of YHVH. You just don’t know enough about the origin of your cult to make any of the assessments you do about it. You don’t understand it at all.
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Whatsisface
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Which is what, exactly?
So you decided it was God.
What was it about this experience that showed you it was from God?
SteveB
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If you say so. I don't recall ever seeing anything you've ever actually provided.
You'll help your claims by providing resources, terms, names, of those who you claim proved it for you without you ever corroborating anything.
actually, i have exactly what Jesus says i would be given by Him.
my question is why you never did.
well. Considering that YHVH created humans in his own likeness and image, and receives everyone who calls on his name, and Jesus is God, who came to earth as a human, and described the truth, while demonstrating himself, it's good to see that you've paid attention to the simplest content.
I'm still waiting for you to provide proof of this claim of yours.
It's rather disingenuous to claim that and have no knowledge or awareness of me, my life, and experiences for the past 63 years.
So, by saying that, you show what a fraud you really are.
SteveB
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Read the Bible and you'll learn.
Actually, I did further research.
How do you know that your parents are actually your parents? I'm guessing that you just decided they were?
It matched the biblical description.
Whatsisface
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It's interesting when you're not helpful. It says a lot.
For clarity, can you say what the "it" was that matched the biblical description?
SteveB
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It's very helpful.
You've repeatedly stated that you are not actually interested in knowing the truth, so until you make the effort to learn the truth for yourself, you'll remain in the same position.
Always having to take the word of strangers, without any means of being able to make a clear distinction between the truth and lies.
You could simply make a concerted effort to read, examine, and study the Bible for the purpose of learning and understanding.
I already have.
Like 1000 times.
Jer 31:3 WEB Yahweh appeared of old to me, saying, “Yes, I have loved you with an everlasting love. Therefore I have drawn you with loving kindness.
Jer 33:3 WEB ‘Call to me, and I will answer you, and will show you great and difficult things, which you don’t know.’
Joh 3:16 WEB For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
1Jn 4:19 WEB We love him, because he first loved us.
Psa 147:11 WEB Yahweh takes pleasure in those who fear him, in those who hope in his loving kindness.
So, at what point do you think you'll make the effort to pay attention?
Whatsisface
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And yet here I am asking questions that one would think that if you had and gave the answers, would help show that what you say is true.
I already have.
So let's take the first, how did Yahweh appear to you? Did he physically say those words?
SteveB
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Yet you continue to refuse to actually do anything.
I've repeatedly explained that the only way to know anything is true is to act on it.
in this case, you have to do what Jesus said to know if it's true or not.
Yes you have. Absolutely nothing.
presence.
Not to me. He said them to the people who wrote them down for us to have.