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Yes your camp has a bad habit of doing just that on a regular basis .
For a sinner to be conformed to the image of the Son, is to be saved.Rom8:29I'm not asking for every single verse to contain every word. I'm just asking for ONE Bible verse that declares that we are predestined to be saved. Just one and no one has been able to deliver that one single verse.
Salvation encompasses everything in Eph 1, IMO.For a sinner to be conformed to the image of the Son, is to be saved.Rom8:29
salvation from sin ?Salvation encompasses everything in Eph 1, IMO.
Once you believe "in Christ" and you're placed/positioned "in Christ" then you are predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ.For a sinner to be conformed to the image of the Son, is to be saved.Rom8:29
Ask your pastor.salvation from sin ?
if so how ?
what does it mean to go from being a sinner to a saint, from a slave of sin to a slave of Christ, righteousness ?
hope this helps !!!
I'm asking you. Why are you deflecting ?Ask your pastor.
I'm not that interested in a discussion with you. I'll continue praying for you, though.I'm asking you. Why are you deflecting ?
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
Its the bible I'm asking you about, not me.I'm not that interested in you. I'll continue praying for you, though.
Exactly, you're asking..Its the bible I'm asking you about, not me.
Still conflating hmmmmmm
I would not hold my breath. I've noticed a strong tendency among many Calvinists (not all) to be very flippant with Biblical terms. They just toss them around as if they own them. Well they don't. They need to deal with that fact.salvation from sin ?
if so how ?
what does it mean to go from being a sinner to a saint, from a slave of sin to a slave of Christ, righteousness ?
what difference does the indwelling of the Holy Spirit make in a believer ?
what difference did is make in the disciples pre and post Pentecost when they were filled with the Holy Spirit ?
please education me on this......................................
I'm sure you have years of experience and bible knowledge on this most important topic to share with the group
hope this helps !!!
1 Peter 3:15Exactly, you're asking..
it seems to be a stumbling block of sorts very interesting to say the least.I would not hold my breath. I've noticed a strong tendency among many Calvinists (not all) to be very flippant with Biblical terms. They just toss them around as if they own them. Well they don't. They need to deal with that fact.
salvation from sin ?
if so how ?
what does it mean to go from being a sinner to a saint, from a slave of sin to a slave of Christ, righteousness ?
what difference does the indwelling of the Holy Spirit make in a believer ?
go figure it stumped themsalvation from sin ?
if so how ?
what does it mean to go from being a sinner to a saint, from a slave of sin to a slave of Christ, righteousness ?
what difference does the indwelling of the Holy Spirit make in a believer ?
what difference did is make in the disciples pre and post Pentecost when they were filled with the Holy Spirit ?
please education me on this......................................
I'm sure you have years of experience and bible knowledge on this most important topic to share with the group
hope this helps !!!
So far, so good.I suppose you can state it the way you are choosing. But I would note I think we should specify the difference between those ideas that are in effect elements of salvation, and those which are benefits of salvation. Both could be spoken of as accompanying, but not as "co-occuring"
Not quite.For instance: our receiving our inheritance, accompanies salvation but does not co-occur in time with it,
Non sequiturbecause Sin brings death. therefore, to believe on perfection / life (Jesus Christ) is to believe / follow / want to become -- more perfected / full of Life.
if you / we do not pick up our cross (es), we are not worthy of Him (not worthy of life / are not overcoming death) .........
but / however......... God is wanting to / helping Any who have / or are turning to Him / believing -- in Him (Life , lack of Sin) also = believing in / on His Son (we walk by Faith / anything not done in faith -- is Sin = death / missing each Mark, on the Way [of Christ] - to Life).
these are Complicated concepts / truths though, that one must "Work out" -- in themselves (the temple of God) -- with God's help (of course), and / also with many Helps in life that God 'sends' / 'Shows', and with the help of other Believers.
Nice prooftext.2Co 6:2 (For He says, "In an acceptable time I heard you, and in a day of salvation, I helped you;" Behold, now is the accepted time. Behold, now is the day of salvation.)
I'm asking you. Why are you deflecting ?
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,
1) I do not have a problem and I will ask you not to make this personal, and not to make this discusion personally problem-focused. I will report your posts and exit the exchange if this continues. Just say, "There is a problem using works to explain predestination because..........." and leave the poster out of the commentary. Keep the posts about the posts and not the posters.I'm the one who cited the verses saying that good works are preordained. Your problem is that you cannot use those verse for predestination because good works are not predestined for inheritance, adoption, and conformity to Christ.
Good works are preordained but good works are not predestined for inheritance.I'm the one who cited the verses saying that good works are preordained..... you cannot use those verse for predestination because good works are not predestined for inheritance, adoption, and conformity to Christ.