When I refer to God as one I am referring to...

One of the reasons I sought a better explanation of the distinctions between the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is...


Trinitarians would say...

When I refer to God as one I am referring to one "what" / "substance" / "essence" / "nature".

Understanding the Trinity - God is one “what” but three “whos.”

Catholic Catechism 252 - The Church uses the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity.


Whereas I would say...

When I refer to God as one I am referring to "one Yahweh" / "a Spirit" / "spirit".

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 4:24 ESV - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.


***QUESTION*** How would YOU fill in the blank, When I refer to God as one I am referring to _____________.


P.S. Here is an overview of what I believe...

The spirit Yahweh is the only one who is eternal. Yahweh is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. Yahweh in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, Yahweh in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal Yahweh is called God the Father.

And here is a little more detail...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
 
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johnny guitar

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One of the reasons I sought a better explanation of the distinctions between the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is...


Trinitarians would say...

When I refer to God as one I am referring to one "what" / "substance" / "essence" / "nature".

Understanding the Trinity - God is one “what” but three “whos.”

Catholic Catechism 252 - The Church uses the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity.


Whereas I would say...

When I refer to God as one I am referring to "one Yahweh" / "a Spirit" / "spirit".

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 4:24 ESV - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.


***QUESTION*** How would YOU fill in the blank, When I refer to God as one I am referring to _____________.


P.S. Here is an overview of what I believe...

The spirit Yahweh is the only one who is eternal. Yahweh is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. Yahweh in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, Yahweh in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal Yahweh is called God the Father.

And here is a little more detail...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
ONE Being.
 
ONE Being.
Note: I have added your answer and would like to know what the others on this forum believe.


Trinitarians would say...

When I refer to God as one I am referring to one "what" / "substance" / "essence" / "nature" / "being".

Understanding the Trinity - God is one “what” but three “whos.”

Catholic Catechism 252 - The Church uses the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity.


Whereas I would say...


When I refer to God as one I am referring to "one Yahweh" / "a Spirit" / "spirit".

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 4:24 ESV - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.



***QUESTION*** How would YOU fill in the blank, When I refer to God as one I am referring to _____________.
 

johnny guitar

Active member
Note: I have added your answer and would like to know what the others on this forum believe.


Trinitarians would say...

When I refer to God as one I am referring to one "what" / "substance" / "essence" / "nature" / "being".

Understanding the Trinity - God is one “what” but three “whos.”

Catholic Catechism 252 - The Church uses the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity.


Whereas I would say...


When I refer to God as one I am referring to "one Yahweh" / "a Spirit" / "spirit".

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 4:24 ESV - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.



***QUESTION*** How would YOU fill in the blank, When I refer to God as one I am referring to _____________.
ONE Being. ONE Spirit, ONE Lord, ONE God.
 

johnny guitar

Active member
Is that "ONE Spirit" DISTINCT from "God the Father?

You answered No when I asked you this before. But I just want to give you a chance to change your mind.

Otherwise, it means the Person called the "ONE Spirit" is the same Person called "God the Father" if they are NOT distinct.
That was an error on my part. I did not read the question properly.
I should have said yes.
 
That was an error on my part. I did not read the question properly.
I should have said yes.

And just to make sure you read the following question properly...

***QUESTION*** How would YOU fill in the blank, When I refer to God as one I am referring to _____________.
ONE Being. ONE Spirit, ONE Lord, ONE God.

By "God as one" I mean what the Catholic Catechism calls "the divine being in its unity".

Catholic Catechism 252... The Church uses the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity...

I just don't like to refer to God as an "it", so I was trying to reword their phrase to "God as one" hoping that Trinitarians would understand the two phrases mean the same thing.


But using Trinitarian terms, the meaning of my question was...

***QUESTION*** How would YOU fill in the blank, When I refer to the divine being in its unity I am referring to _____________.

Would your answer still be... ONE Being. ONE Spirit, ONE Lord, ONE God.


I would fill in the blank like this...

When I refer to the divine being in its unity I am referring to one Yahweh / a Spirit / spirit.

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our God is one Yahweh:

John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 4:24 ESV - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
 

johnny guitar

Active member
And just to make sure you read the following question properly...




By "God as one" I mean what the Catholic Catechism calls "the divine being in its unity".

Catholic Catechism 252... The Church uses the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity...

I just don't like to refer to God as an "it", so I was trying to reword their phrase to "God as one" hoping that Trinitarians would understand the two phrases mean the same thing.


But using Trinitarian terms, the meaning of my question was...

***QUESTION*** How would YOU fill in the blank, When I refer to the divine being in its unity I am referring to _____________.

Would your answer still be... ONE Being. ONE Spirit, ONE Lord, ONE God.


I would fill in the blank like this...

When I refer to the divine being in its unity I am referring to one Yahweh / a Spirit / spirit.

Deuteronomy 6:4 - Hear, O Israel: Yahweh our God is one Yahweh:

John 4:24 - God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

John 4:24 ESV - God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
Same answer. ONE Being, God, Lord, ONE Spirit.
 
I do NOT know what you mean by "in its unity"

It is NOT my term. It is the term used in the most popular TRINITARIAN confession. I posted it two posts earlier...

Catholic Catechism 252... The Church uses the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity...

If YOU don't know what it means, then it shows that the doctrine of the Trinity is confusing people since the MAJORITY TRINITARIAN confession on the Trinity is NOT understood by TRINITARIANS.


The Divine Being IS God The Father,

Just to clarify, which statement(s) are TRUE...
A) The Divine Being in its unity IS God The Father
B) The Divine Being in its unity IS God The Son
C) The Divine Being in its unity IS God The Holy Spirit
D) The Divine Being in its unity IS God The Father AND God The Son AND God The Holy Spirit

You seem to be implying only A is true.
 

johnny guitar

Active member
It is NOT my term. It is the term used in the most popular TRINITARIAN confession. I posted it two posts earlier...

Catholic Catechism 252... The Church uses the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity...

If YOU don't know what it means, then it shows that the doctrine of the Trinity is confusing people since the MAJORITY TRINITARIAN confession on the Trinity is NOT understood by TRINITARIANS.




Just to clarify, which statement(s) are TRUE...
A) The Divine Being in its unity IS God The Father
B) The Divine Being in its unity IS God The Son
C) The Divine Being in its unity IS God The Holy Spirit
D) The Divine Being in its unity IS God The Father AND God The Son AND God The Holy Spirit

You seem to be implying only A is true.
D)
 
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