When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

Truth7t7

Active member
I've never had frogs legs...you never answered the question....do you think you'll croak during the tribulation?
Your 3rd response on the subject of myself dying in a future tribulation is somewhat of a distraction to the conversation, and somewhat childish at this point

Are you going to be run over by two skateboards and a bike in the future?

That type of conversation is childish dont ya think?

You cling to a pre-trib rapture, thats not found in scripture

Many promote this teaching by "Fear" of a future great tribulation and antichrist, who will send death squads out to catch and kill all Christians?

Sci-Fi Propaganda, trying to sell a used car without a motor or tires
 

CrowCross

Well-known member
Your 3rd response on the subject of myself dying in a future tribulation is somewhat of a distraction to the conversation, and somewhat childish at this point


Somewhat childish? You missed the point...you painted a picture of the trib being a cake walk for post rapture christians.

When Ipoint that out to you...you call me childish?
Are you going to be run over by two skateboards and a bike in the future?

That type of conversation is childish dont ya think?

You cling to a pre-trib rapture, thats not found in scripture

Many promote this teaching by "Fear" of a future great tribulation and antichrist, who will send death squads out to catch and kill all Christians?

You never did reply to Rev 13.
Sci-Fi Propaganda, trying to sell a used car without a motor or tires
Should I listen to your Hallmark theatre theology?
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Somewhat childish? You missed the point...you painted a picture of the trib being a cake walk for post rapture christians.
The tribulation is going to be about the (Two Witnesses) ruling through plagues, something you dont want to acknowledge

Does that look like the Antichrist is running around killing Christian's below?

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
 
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CrowCross

Well-known member
The tribulation is going to be about the (Two Witnesses) ruling through plagues, something you dont want to acknowledge

Does that look like the Antichrist is running around killing Christian's below?

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 9:3-6KJV
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
Are you saying the trib is only...thousand two hundred and threescore days long?
 

rod.ney

Well-known member
Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Yes indeed He creates the New Heaven & Earth with no seas ( Rev.21:1 ) AFTER He REIGNS for 1000 Years while Satan is bound ( Rev20.1-6 )! Satan gets LOOSED for a short season ( Rev.20:7-10 ) and gets tossed into the LOF! Then the new earth & heaven gets Created ( Rev.21:1 ) from that Melted ( 2 Peter 3:10-13 ) old Heaven & earth! Case closed on T7t7 mixed up view ( No REIGN and no Satan getting bound, and then Loosed and tossed into the LOF before the new Heaven & earth getting created )!
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Yes indeed He creates the New Heaven & Earth with no seas ( Rev.21:1 ) AFTER He REIGNS for 1000 Years while Satan is bound ( Rev20.1-6 )! Satan gets LOOSED for a short season ( Rev.20:7-10 ) and gets tossed into the LOF! Then the new earth & heaven gets Created ( Rev.21:1 ) from that Melted ( 2 Peter 3:10-13 ) old Heaven & earth! Case closed on T7t7 mixed up view ( No REIGN and no Satan getting bound, and then Loosed and tossed into the LOF before the new Heaven & earth getting created )!
Rod The Earth Is "Dissolved" by fire at the (Second Coming) when the Lord "Appears" "Reveals" read it real slow

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Yes indeed He creates the New Heaven & Earth with no seas ( Rev.21:1 ) AFTER He REIGNS for 1000 Years while Satan is bound ( Rev20.1-6 )! Satan gets LOOSED for a short season ( Rev.20:7-10 ) and gets tossed into the LOF! Then the new earth & heaven gets Created ( Rev.21:1 ) from that Melted ( 2 Peter 3:10-13 ) old Heaven & earth! Case closed on T7t7 mixed up view ( No REIGN and no Satan getting bound, and then Loosed and tossed into the LOF before the new Heaven & earth getting created )!
Rod When Jesus Christ Returns Its (The End) Not The Beginning Of A Millennium On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 

rossh

Well-known member
As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

(Then Cometh The End) As (Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Amen! now try to convince the majority of the truth of that passage..

Thank you for that passage..
 

rod.ney

Well-known member
Rod When Jesus Christ Returns Its (The End) Not The Beginning Of A Millennium On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
WRONG again T7t7, the scriptures ( Rev.20:1-10 ) CLEARLY teach that Satan gets bound ( verses 1-3 ) for a Literal 1000 years that Jesus Reigns on this old sin stained earth! Then Satan gets Loosed for a short season ( Rev.20:6-10 ) for his final revolt and is quickly dealt with by tossing him into the LOF where his AC & FP already are because they were the FIRST two to get tossed in back 1000 years earlier in Rev.19:20 BEFORE the 1000 year REING got started! Case closed on T7t7's say so ( Man's word ) that Twists ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) those Posted scriptures that are in Chronological order!
 

rod.ney

Well-known member
Rod The Earth Is "Dissolved" by fire at the (Second Coming) when the Lord "Appears" "Reveals" read it real slow

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV

7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV

3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV

5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
WRONG T7t7! Rev.19:20 ( AC& FP getting tossed alive into the LOF ) happens First at His Post Trib. return! Then Satan gets bound for 1000 years as per Rev.20:1-3 ) so he can't interfere with that Literal 1000 Year REIGN stated in Rev.20:4-6! Then at the END of those 1000 years Satan gets Loosed and Tossed into the LOF ( Rev.20:7-10 ) to join his AC & FP that were there for that same 1000 years that Satan was bound in the Pit! Then the Unsaved get Judged and Tossed into the LOF as per Rev.20:11-15! Then the New Heaven & Earth gets created from the Molten mass of 2 Peter 3:10-13 as per Rev.21:1! All in chronological order ( Rev.19:11-21 ; Rev.20:1-15 & Rev.21:1 ) as posted in this scriptural response! Case closed on your say so ( No 1000 years of Satan Bound during the REIGN at that same time as per Rev.20:1-6 )!
 

Keraz

Member
Amen! now try to convince the majority of the truth of that passage..

Thank you for that passage..
Truth 7t7 is wrong.
There is a gap of 1000 years between verses 23 and 24. Proved by the three passages that do describe the glorious Return of Jesus. Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:29-30 and revelation 19:11-21 None of them say Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns.
He then reigns for the Millennium and when that is over; then He hands the Kingdom to the Father.

A bit of logic and right understanding is required here!
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Truth 7t7 is wrong.
There is a gap of 1000 years between verses 23 and 24. Proved by the three passages that do describe the glorious Return of Jesus. Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:29-30 and revelation 19:11-21 None of them say Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns.
He then reigns for the Millennium and when that is over; then He hands the Kingdom to the Father.

A bit of logic and right understanding is required here!
When Jesus Christ Returns Its (The End) Not The Beginning Of A Millennium On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Keraz "Adds"to Gods word a 1,000 year Kingdom on earth here, something not seen, scary!

24 Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 

rossh

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Truth 7t7 is wrong.
There is a gap of 1000 years between verses 23 and 24. Proved by the three passages that do describe the glorious Return of Jesus. Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:29-30 and revelation 19:11-21 None of them say Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns.
He then reigns for the Millennium and when that is over; then He hands the Kingdom to the Father.

A bit of logic and right understanding is required here!
Bless you, you seem to have just simply believed the Word of God Scriptures, and that is a vital and very good thing for all of us to do. That, joined together with a small prayer, before a reading session, asking our Lord Yeshua to assist us does no harm either. Simply ask, " Please Lord, guide my understanding towards your truth.." or something like that, what do you think ?
 

rossh

Well-known member
Truth 7t7 is wrong.
There is a gap of 1000 years between verses 23 and 24. Proved by the three passages that do describe the glorious Return of Jesus. Zechariah 14:3, Matthew 24:29-30 and revelation 19:11-21 None of them say Jesus will destroy the world when He Returns.
He then reigns for the Millennium and when that is over; then He hands the Kingdom to the Father.

A bit of logic and right understanding is required here!
well, one thing is for certain then, we will all soon find out who is correct and who is incorrect..
 

rossh

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And it is perfectly obvious from Revelation, that the Return is NOT the next event.
Yes, perfectly obvious and the quoted passages prove it beyond any doubt...
So then, what exactly IS the next event ? The 7 years of tribulation then is it ?
 

Truth7t7

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Yes, perfectly obvious and the quoted passages prove it beyond any doubt...
So then, what exactly IS the next event ? The 7 years of tribulation then is it ?
Rossh, I see scripture teaching only 3.5 years of future tribulation, that will start with the revealing of the Antichrist in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messiah God to the Jews and world

REV 11:3 The 1260 days of the two witnesses, and Rev 13:5 the 42 months of the Beast are "Parallel" time frames, not chronological as dispensationalism teaches

I believe Daniel's 70 weeks are future, and they are literal days or 490 future days, when the command goes out to build the wall and street in Jerusalem this starts the 70 weeks time clock

I personally believe the wall could be the western wall and foundation of the temple site?
 
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rossh

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Rossh, I see scripture teaching only 3.5 years of future tribulation, that will start with the revealing of the Antichrist in Jerusalem, proclaiming to be Messuah God to the Jews and world

REV 11:3 The 1260 days of the two witnesses, and Rev 13:5 the 42 months of the Beast are "Parallel" time frames, not chronological as dispensationalism teaches

I believe Daniel's 70 weeks are future, and they are literal days or 490 future days, when the command goes out to build the wall and street in Jerusalem this starts the 70 weeks time clock

I personally believe the wall could be the western wall and foundation of the temple site?
well we could say that this is about the Messiah being rejected and killed and then the Romans sacking the city and then the Germans gassing the Jews etc;. why ? because now we see that Israel is starting to gather back again... It will take a long time yet, but look at what is happening this last 2 decades ?
 

Truth7t7

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well we could say that this is about the Messiah being rejected and killed and then the Romans sacking the city and then the Germans gassing the Jews etc;. why ? because now we see that Israel is starting to gather back again... It will take a long time yet, but look at what is happening this last 2 decades ?
I don't see 70AD and the Roman's destruction in Jerusalem as any fulfillment (Preterism)

Jews being gathered has no prophetic significance, other than 2/3 will die in Jerusalem/Israel's future, in the time of the gentiles

I see the "Future" command to build the wall and street in Jerusalem as the next sign

7 weeks of planning, 62 weeks of building, then armies surround Jerusalem, stopping the building "Messiah Cut Off" and in the 70th literal week the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, starting the great tribulation of 3.5 years
 
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