When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

rossh

Well-known member
I don't see 70AD and the Roman's destruction in Jerusalem as any fulfillment (Preterism)

Jews being gathered has no prophetic significance, other than 2/3 will die in Jerusalem/Israel's future, in the time of the gentiles

I see the command to build the wall and street in Jerusalem as the next sign, 7 weeks of planning, 62 weeks of building, then armies surround Jerusalem, stopping the building "Messiah Cut Off" and in the 70th literal week the Antichrist is revealed in Jerusalem, starting the great tribulation of 3.5 years
Jews being " gathered " has NO significance you say,, seriously ? They are still Gods chosen People and no matter what the world is doing nor has done to them. God will. and always has, fully fulfilled all of His promises, and to all that He has given a Promise to.. They will see the One that they killed Alive and Well again..
Romans 9:1 I am speaking the truth - as one who belongs to the Messiah, I do not lie; and also bearing witness is my conscience, governed by the Ruach HaKodesh:

2 my grief is so great, the pain in my heart so constant,

3 that I could wish myself actually under God's curse and separated from the Messiah, if it would help my brothers, my own flesh and blood,

4 the people of Isra'el! They were made God's children, the Sh'khinah has been with them, the covenants are theirs, likewise the giving of the Torah, the Temple service and the promises;

5 the Patriarchs are theirs; and from them, as far as his physical descent is concerned, came the Messiah, who is over all. Praised be ADONAI for ever! Amen.

6 But the present condition of Isra'el does not mean that the Word of God has failed. For not everyone from Isra'el is truly part of Isra'el;

7 indeed, not all the descendants are seed of Avraham; rather, "What is to be called your 'seed' will be in Yitz'chak."

8 In other words, it is not the physical children who are children of God, but the children the promise refers to who are considered seed.

9 For this is what the promise said: "At the time set, I will come; and Sarah will have a son."z

10 And even more to the point is the case of Rivkah; for both her children were conceived in a single act with Yitz'chak, our father;

11 and before they were born, before they had done anything at all, either good or bad (so that God's plan might remain a matter of his sovereign choice, not dependent on what they did, but on God, who does the calling),

12 it was said to her, "The older will serve the younger."a

13 This accords with where it is written, "Ya'akov I loved, but Esav I hated."

14 So are we to say, "It is unjust for God to do this"? Heaven forbid!

15 For to Moshe he says, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will pity whom I pity."

16 Thus it doesn't depend on human desires or efforts, but on God, who has mercy.

17 For the Tanakh says to Pharaoh, "It is for this very reason that I raised you up, so that in connection with you I might demonstrate my power, so that my name might be known throughout the world."

18 So then, he has mercy on whom he wants, and he hardens whom he wants.

19 But you will say to me, "Then why does he still find fault with us? After all, who resists his will?"

20 Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to God? Will what is formed say to him who formed it, "Why did you make me this way?"e

21 Or has the potter no right to make from a given lump of clay this pot for honorable use and that one for dishonorable?

22 Now what if God, even though he was quite willing to demonstrate his anger and make known his power, patiently put up with people who deserved punishment and were ripe for destruction?

23 What if he did this in order to make known the riches of his glory to those who are the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory -

24 that is, to us, whom he called not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles?

25 As indeed he says in Hoshea, "Those who were not my people I will call my people; her who was not loved I will call loved;

26 and in the very place where they were told, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called sons of the living God!"
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Jews being " gathered " has NO significance you say,, seriously ? They are still Gods chosen People and no matter what the world is doing nor has done to them. God will. and always has, fully fulfilled all of His promises, and to all that He has given a Promise to.. They will see the One that they killed Alive and Well again..
Romans 9:1 I am speaking the truth - as one who belongs to the Messiah, I do not lie; and also bearing witness is my conscience, governed by the Ruach HaKodesh:

2 my grief is so great, the pain in my heart so constant,

3 that I could wish myself actually under God's curse and separated from the Messiah, if it would help my brothers, my own flesh and blood,

4 the people of Isra'el! They were made God's children, the Sh'khinah has been with them, the covenants are theirs, likewise the giving of the Torah, the Temple service and the promises;

5 the Patriarchs are theirs; and from them, as far as his physical descent is concerned, came the Messiah, who is over all. Praised be ADONAI for ever! Amen.

6 But the present condition of Isra'el does not mean that the Word of God has failed. For not everyone from Isra'el is truly part of Isra'el;

7 indeed, not all the descendants are seed of Avraham; rather, "What is to be called your 'seed' will be in Yitz'chak."

8 In other words, it is not the physical children who are children of God, but the children the promise refers to who are considered seed.

9 For this is what the promise said: "At the time set, I will come; and Sarah will have a son."z

10 And even more to the point is the case of Rivkah; for both her children were conceived in a single act with Yitz'chak, our father;

11 and before they were born, before they had done anything at all, either good or bad (so that God's plan might remain a matter of his sovereign choice, not dependent on what they did, but on God, who does the calling),

12 it was said to her, "The older will serve the younger."a

13 This accords with where it is written, "Ya'akov I loved, but Esav I hated."

14 So are we to say, "It is unjust for God to do this"? Heaven forbid!

15 For to Moshe he says, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will pity whom I pity."

16 Thus it doesn't depend on human desires or efforts, but on God, who has mercy.

17 For the Tanakh says to Pharaoh, "It is for this very reason that I raised you up, so that in connection with you I might demonstrate my power, so that my name might be known throughout the world."

18 So then, he has mercy on whom he wants, and he hardens whom he wants.

19 But you will say to me, "Then why does he still find fault with us? After all, who resists his will?"

20 Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to God? Will what is formed say to him who formed it, "Why did you make me this way?"e

21 Or has the potter no right to make from a given lump of clay this pot for honorable use and that one for dishonorable?

22 Now what if God, even though he was quite willing to demonstrate his anger and make known his power, patiently put up with people who deserved punishment and were ripe for destruction?

23 What if he did this in order to make known the riches of his glory to those who are the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory -

24 that is, to us, whom he called not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles?

25 As indeed he says in Hoshea, "Those who were not my people I will call my people; her who was not loved I will call loved;

26 and in the very place where they were told, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called sons of the living God!"
I dont believe in the (Two Peoples) of God doctrine found within Dispensationalism's "Christian Zionism"

Jews are no more chosen than Africans, Chinese, Hispanics, or Whites

God clearly describes below that Israel children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Plain, simple, easy to understand

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

rossh

Well-known member
I dont believe in the (Two Peoples) of God doctrine found within Dispensationalism's "Christian Zionism"

Jews are no more chosen than Africans, Chinese, Hispanics, or Whites

God clearly describes below that Israel children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Plain, simple, easy to understand

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
hohum, just more suppositions from you.. Deut 7: For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be His people, His treasured possession.... seems like you are calling God a liar. that is not a good thing to do. Then, you quote Paul..
 

Keraz

Member
25 As indeed he says in Hoshea, "Those who were not my people I will call my people; her who was not loved I will call loved;

26 and in the very place where they were told, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called sons of the living God!"
Paul is referring to Christians, THEY will be called the children of God and it will happen in the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10

As for what is the next prophesied event:

Isaiah 61:1-2a The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me. He has sent me to announce good news to the humble, to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and to proclaim a year of the Lords favor,

Isaiah 61:2b-3...and a Day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, to give then garlands instead of ashes, oil of gladness, instead of mourners tears and a garment of splendor for the distressed. They will be called trees of righteousness, planted by the Lord for His adornment.

Isaiah 61:4-11 Buildings long in ruin and desolate will be restored and rebuilt. Foreigners will serve you, caring for your flocks and vines, but you will be called priests of the Lord and the wealth of the nations will be yours. Because My people have received insults and shame in double measure, they will receive in their own Land, wealth in double measure.
For I, the Lord love justice and hate injustice, I shall give My people a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them. Their posterity will be renowned among the nations, they will be seen as a people blessed by the Lord.

Let us rejoice in the Lord with all our hearts. From Him has come victory and deliverance. His people, robed in beauty are like a garden full of flowers. The Lord will make His victory and renown known to the nations.
Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Isaiah 61:1-2a, was quoted by Jesus at the commencement of His ministry;.... a year of the Lord’s favour’. He stopped in mid sentence and then said: Today, in your hearing, this prophecy has come true. Luke 4:16-21
Therefore, the rest of this chapter is unfulfilled prophecy. So, we look for the sequence of events to unfold as written, commencing with:

a Day of vengeance of our God’ - The next prophesied event. Not the Return of Jesus in His glory, but His punishment to the nations, triggered by an attack on Israel. This is prophesied and described comprehensively throughout the Bible as a terrible disaster by fire, that will affect the whole world. Isa. 63:1-6, Isa. 30:26

comfort all who mourn’ - All who love the Lord and follow in His Laws, those who mourn His death on the cross. Zechariah 12:9-10

trees of righteousness, planted in their own Land’ - His people: all faithful Christians, Jews and Gentiles are gathered and settled in His holy Land, into all of that area promised to the Patriarchs, to their descendants by faith, Galatians 3:26-29, in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 20:34-36, Isaiah 26:15

buildings rebuilt and the land restored’ - After the devastation caused by a CME sunstrike, The Lord will regenerate the Land, Ezekiel 36:8 but buildings must be rebuilt, including the new Temple. Isaiah 65:21, Zechariah 6:15

foreigners will serve you’ - Isaiah 60:10...foreigners will rebuild your walls...

wealth of the nations will be yours’ - Zechariah 14:14 The same as what happened at the first Exodus. Exodus 11:2

‘make a Covenant with them’ - Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 34:25, Hebrews 8:10-12

‘from Him has come victory and deliverance’ - Psalms 91:14-16, Psalms 44:4-7

‘known to the nations’ - Ezekiel 39:21, Isaiah 40:5
 

Truth7t7

Active member
hohum, just more suppositions from you.. Deut 7: For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be His people, His treasured possession.... seems like you are calling God a liar. that is not a good thing to do. Then, you quote Paul..
Is God A Liar, Read It Again

God clearly describes below that, Israel children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Plain, simple, easy to understand

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

rossh

Well-known member
Is God A Liar, Read It Again

God clearly describes below that, Israel children of the flesh (Ethnic Israel) these are not the children of God

Plain, simple, easy to understand

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
basing your Word on verse numbers, make me think that you believe that Paul penned his letters with chapter and verse numberings.. ?

Here you go;
Romans 9:1 I am speaking the truth — as one who belongs to the Messiah, I do not lie; and also bearing witness is my conscience, governed by the Ruach HaKodesh: 2 my grief is so great, the pain in my heart so constant, 3 that I could wish myself actually under God’s curse and separated from the Messiah, if it would help my brothers, my own flesh and blood, 4 the people of Isra’el! They were made God’s children, the Sh’khinah has been with them, the covenants are theirs, likewise the giving of the Torah, the Temple service and the promises; 5 the Patriarchs are theirs; and from them, as far as his physical descent is concerned, came the Messiah, who is over all. Praised be Adonai for ever! Amen.


6 But the present condition of Isra’el does not mean that the Word of God has failed. For not everyone from Isra’el is truly part of Isra’el;

7 indeed, not all the descendants are seed of Avraham;[a] rather, “What is to be called your ‘seed’ will be in Yitz’chak.”[b]

8 In other words, it is not the physical children who are children of God, but the children the promise refers to who are considered seed.


9 For this is what the promise said: “At the time set, I will come; and Sarah will have a son.”[c] 10 And even more to the point is the case of Rivkah; for both her children were conceived in a single act with Yitz’chak, our father; 11 and before they were born, before they had done anything at all, either good or bad (so that God’s plan might remain a matter of his sovereign choice, not dependent on what they did, but on God, who does the calling), 12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 This accords with where it is written, “Ya‘akov I loved, but Esav I hated.”[e]

14 So are we to say, “It is unjust for God to do this”? Heaven forbid! 15 For to Moshe he says, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will pity whom I pity.”[f] 16 Thus it doesn’t depend on human desires or efforts, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Tanakh says to Pharaoh, “It is for this very reason that I raised you up, so that in connection with you I might demonstrate my power, so that my name might be known throughout the world.”[g] 18 So then, he has mercy on whom he wants, and he hardens whom he wants.

19 But you will say to me, “Then why does he still find fault with us? After all, who resists his will?” 20 Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to God? Will what is formed say to him who formed it, “Why did you make me this way?”[h] 21 Or has the potter no right to make from a given lump of clay this pot for honorable use and that one for dishonorable? 22 Now what if God, even though he was quite willing to demonstrate his anger and make known his power, patiently put up with people who deserved punishment and were ripe for destruction? 23 What if he did this in order to make known the riches of his glory to those who are the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory — 24 that is, to us, whom he called not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hoshea,

“Those who were not my people I will call my people;
her who was not loved I will call loved;
26 and in the very place where they were told,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called sons of the living God!”[i]
27 But Yesha‘yahu, referring to Isra’el, cries out,

“Even if the number of people in Isra’el is as large
as the number of grains of sand by the sea,
only a remnant will be saved.
28 For Adonai will fulfill his word on the earth
with certainty and without delay.”[j]
29 Also, as Yesha‘yahu said earlier,

“If Adonai-Tzva’ot had not left us a seed,
we would have become like S’dom,
we would have resembled ‘Amora.”[k]
30 So, what are we to say? This: that Gentiles, even though they were not striving for righteousness, have obtained righteousness; but it is a righteousness grounded in trusting! 31 However, Isra’el, even though they kept pursuing a Torah that offers righteousness, did not reach what the Torah offers. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue righteousness as being grounded in trusting but as if it were grounded in doing legalistic works. They stumbled over the stone that makes people stumble.[l] 33 As the Tanakh puts it,

“Look, I am laying in Tziyon
a stone that will make people stumble,
a rock that will trip them up.
But he who rests his trust on it
will not be humiliated.”[m]

  1. Romans 9:7 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalm 105:6
  2. Romans 9:7 Genesis 21:12
  3. Romans 9:9 Genesis 18:14
  4. Romans 9:12 Genesis 25:23
  5. Romans 9:13 Malachi 1:2–3
  6. Romans 9:15 Exodus 33:19
  7. Romans 9:17 Exodus 9:16
  8. Romans 9:20 Isaiah 29:16, 45:9
  9. Romans 9:26 Hosea 2:25 (23), 2:1(1:10)
  10. Romans 9:28 Isaiah 10:22–23
  11. Romans 9:29 Isaiah 1:9
  12. Romans 9:32 Isaiah 8:14
  13. Romans 9:33 Isaiah 28:16
 

Truth7t7

Active member
basing your Word on verse numbers, make me think that you believe that Paul penned his letters with chapter and verse numberings.. ?

Here you go;

Romans 9:1 I am speaking the truth — as one who belongs to the Messiah, I do not lie; and also bearing witness is my conscience, governed by the Ruach HaKodesh: 2 my grief is so great, the pain in my heart so constant, 3 that I could wish myself actually under God’s curse and separated from the Messiah, if it would help my brothers, my own flesh and blood, 4 the people of Isra’el! They were made God’s children, the Sh’khinah has been with them, the covenants are theirs, likewise the giving of the Torah, the Temple service and the promises; 5 the Patriarchs are theirs; and from them, as far as his physical descent is concerned, came the Messiah, who is over all. Praised be Adonai for ever! Amen.


6 But the present condition of Isra’el does not mean that the Word of God has failed. For not everyone from Isra’el is truly part of Isra’el;

7 indeed, not all the descendants are seed of Avraham;[a] rather, “What is to be called your ‘seed’ will be in Yitz’chak.”[b]

8 In other words, it is not the physical children who are children of God, but the children the promise refers to who are considered seed.


9 For this is what the promise said: “At the time set, I will come; and Sarah will have a son.”[c] 10 And even more to the point is the case of Rivkah; for both her children were conceived in a single act with Yitz’chak, our father; 11 and before they were born, before they had done anything at all, either good or bad (so that God’s plan might remain a matter of his sovereign choice, not dependent on what they did, but on God, who does the calling), 12 it was said to her, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 This accords with where it is written, “Ya‘akov I loved, but Esav I hated.”[e]

14 So are we to say, “It is unjust for God to do this”? Heaven forbid! 15 For to Moshe he says, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will pity whom I pity.”[f] 16 Thus it doesn’t depend on human desires or efforts, but on God, who has mercy. 17 For the Tanakh says to Pharaoh, “It is for this very reason that I raised you up, so that in connection with you I might demonstrate my power, so that my name might be known throughout the world.”[g] 18 So then, he has mercy on whom he wants, and he hardens whom he wants.

19 But you will say to me, “Then why does he still find fault with us? After all, who resists his will?” 20 Who are you, a mere human being, to talk back to God? Will what is formed say to him who formed it, “Why did you make me this way?”[h] 21 Or has the potter no right to make from a given lump of clay this pot for honorable use and that one for dishonorable? 22 Now what if God, even though he was quite willing to demonstrate his anger and make known his power, patiently put up with people who deserved punishment and were ripe for destruction? 23 What if he did this in order to make known the riches of his glory to those who are the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory — 24 that is, to us, whom he called not only from among the Jews but also from among the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hoshea,

“Those who were not my people I will call my people;
her who was not loved I will call loved;
26 and in the very place where they were told,
‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called sons of the living God!”[i]
27 But Yesha‘yahu, referring to Isra’el, cries out,

“Even if the number of people in Isra’el is as large
as the number of grains of sand by the sea,
only a remnant will be saved.
28 For Adonai will fulfill his word on the earth
with certainty and without delay.”[j]
29 Also, as Yesha‘yahu said earlier,

“If Adonai-Tzva’ot had not left us a seed,
we would have become like S’dom,
we would have resembled ‘Amora.”[k]
30 So, what are we to say? This: that Gentiles, even though they were not striving for righteousness, have obtained righteousness; but it is a righteousness grounded in trusting! 31 However, Isra’el, even though they kept pursuing a Torah that offers righteousness, did not reach what the Torah offers. 32 Why? Because they did not pursue righteousness as being grounded in trusting but as if it were grounded in doing legalistic works. They stumbled over the stone that makes people stumble.[l] 33 As the Tanakh puts it,

“Look, I am laying in Tziyon
a stone that will make people stumble,
a rock that will trip them up.
But he who rests his trust on it
will not be humiliated.”[m]

  1. Romans 9:7 2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalm 105:6
  2. Romans 9:7 Genesis 21:12
  3. Romans 9:9 Genesis 18:14
  4. Romans 9:12 Genesis 25:23
  5. Romans 9:13 Malachi 1:2–3
  6. Romans 9:15 Exodus 33:19
  7. Romans 9:17 Exodus 9:16
  8. Romans 9:20 Isaiah 29:16, 45:9
  9. Romans 9:26 Hosea 2:25 (23), 2:1(1:10)
  10. Romans 9:28 Isaiah 10:22–23
  11. Romans 9:29 Isaiah 1:9
  12. Romans 9:32 Isaiah 8:14
  13. Romans 9:33 Isaiah 28:16
Please Identify The Source You Quote, Thanks?

My King James Bible Isnt Comparable To Whatever You Quote?
 

Carbon

Well-known member
Dispensationalism in a pre-trib rapture and Millennial Kingdom are false teachings, Jesus Christ isnt going to return and start a Millennial Kingdom on the earth as many falsely teach, beware of the future antichrist
I agree. The next time Christ appears, it's the end.
 

Truth7t7

Active member
I agree. The next time Christ appears, it's the end.
100% Correct, (The End)

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end,
when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 

Truth7t7

Active member
? what exactly is it that you want form me, may I ask ? The verses/passages are from Gods Word - Bible...
What translation?

Its common courtesy to post, Book, Chapter, Verse, Translation, when in discussion or debate, thanks for you consideration
 

rossh

Well-known member
What translation?

Its common courtesy to post, Book, Chapter, Verse, Translation, when in discussion or debate, thanks for you consideration
lol, I did, book and chapter, from the Word of God Bible, there is only ONE Word of God and one message... Salvation.. Nothing posted is my word..
 

Truth7t7

Active member
lol, I did, book and chapter, from the Word of God Bible, there is only ONE Word of God and one message... Salvation.. Nothing posted is my word..
The Translation You Use Is Named "Word Of God Bible", I Was Unable To Find This Translation In Biblegateway?

Your claim that there is only one translation is false, I simply asked for the translation you use?

I use the KJV and I post this reference in all my postings and responses, thanks for your consideration
 

rossh

Well-known member
The Translation You Use Is Named "Word Of God Bible", I Was Unable To Find This Translation In Biblegateway?

Your claim that there is only one translation is false, I simply asked for the translation you use?

I use the KJV and I post this reference in all my postings and responses, thanks for your consideration
Wrong on both accounts.....

There is no such Bible by the name of, The Word Of God Bible.. However you are possibly confused as to that name.. I was saying the Scriptures/Bible IS the very Word of God Himself...
 

Truth7t7

Active member
Wrong on both accounts.....

There is no such Bible by the name of, The Word Of God Bible.. However you are possibly confused as to that name.. I was saying the Scriptures/Bible IS the very Word of God Himself...
You used the "Complete Jewish Bible" (CJB) Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved
 

rossh

Well-known member
You used the "Complete Jewish Bible" (CJB)
Yes but please know that both on my system and online I have access to 8 versions.. The CJB is the only which includes Hebrew/Jewish name values. These are no tin the passage per se, but included in an Index. Almost every nation of earth has this " name/naming system " system.. My Bible is different again, both New ands Old Testaments with explanations/meanings of Hebrew Names.
 

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Truth7t7

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Yes but please know that both on my system and online I have access to 8 versions.. The CJB is the only which includes Hebrew/Jewish name values. These are no tin the passage per se, but included in an Index. Almost every nation of earth has this " name/naming system " system.. My Bible is different again, both New ands Old Testaments with explanations/meanings of Hebrew Names.
Would you call the work of David H. Stern scholarly?

My research dosen't find his credentials in the original languages of Hebrew/Greek, and he performed the translation by himself, having a bias in the Messianic Movement?

"Complete Jewish Bible" (CJB) Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved
 

rossh

Well-known member
Would you call the work of David H. Stern scholarly?

My research dosen't find his credentials in the original languages of Hebrew/Greek, and he performed the translation by himself, having a bias in the Messianic Movement?

"Complete Jewish Bible" (CJB) Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved
Suppositions!
 

Keraz

Member
I use the CJB and the Revised English Bible.
Those who rely on the KJV, a book dedicated to the high and mighty King James. are disadvantaging themselves. The version is in archaic English and has many allusions that are lost to todays English.
But the worst fault of the KJV, is how the Church leaders of 1600 added to the text to suit their doctrines. Good versions remove them and are far better for understanding what is meant in scripture.

I regard the KJV only people as deceived and are practically unable to discern the truths of the Prophetic Word.
 

Timtofly

Member
Would you call the work of David H. Stern scholarly?

My research dosen't find his credentials in the original languages of Hebrew/Greek, and he performed the translation by himself, having a bias in the Messianic Movement?

"Complete Jewish Bible" (CJB) Copyright © 1998 by David H. Stern. All rights reserved
More scholarly than posts in a forum. After you translate the entire Hebrew OT into English, then perhaps you will have more depth to your rejection of certain passages saying explicitly what is written.
 
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