When the Father says "I", is He referring to HIMSELF or...

Yahchristian

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  • Just as I am a being with one center of self-consciousness, who I call “I”, God is a being with three centers of self-consciousness each of which can say “I”.
    • I am the Father.
    • I am the Son.
    • I am the Holy Spirit.
      • Each has a first-person perspective.

TRINITARIANS, could you please clarify what you believe...

When the Father says "I", is He referring to HIMSELF (THE FIRST center of self-consciousness) or is He referring to ALL THREE Persons (ALL THREE centers of self-consciousness)?

I think you would say HIMSELF (the first center of self-consciousness), but I would like confirmation.

And in full disclosure :) my follow-up question will be... When
Yahweh says "I", is He referring to ONE center of self-consciousness or THREE?


In contrast to the Trinitarian view that there are three WHO are transcendent, I believe there is only one WHO transcends all creations.

Here is an overview of what I believe...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one
who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
TRINITARIANS, could you please clarify what you believe...

TRINITARIANS...

When the Father says "I", is He referring to HIMSELF (THE FIRST center of self-consciousness) or is He referring to ALL THREE Persons (ALL THREE centers of self-consciousness)?


I think you would say HIMSELF (the first center of self-consciousness), but I would like confirmation.
 

johnny guitar

Well-known member
TRINITARIANS, could you please clarify what you believe...

When the Father says "I", is He referring to HIMSELF (THE FIRST center of self-consciousness) or is He referring to ALL THREE Persons (ALL THREE centers of self-consciousness)?

I think you would say HIMSELF (the first center of self-consciousness), but I would like confirmation.

And in full disclosure :) my follow-up question will be... When
Yahweh says "I", is He referring to ONE center of self-consciousness or THREE?


In contrast to the Trinitarian view that there are three WHO are transcendent, I believe there is only one WHO transcends all creations.

Here is an overview of what I believe...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one
who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
The Son of God had NO body prior to His conception as a Man. He BECAME a Man, NOT a spirit and soul of a Man.
 

johnny guitar

Well-known member
TRINITARIANS...

When the Father says "I", is He referring to HIMSELF (THE FIRST center of self-consciousness) or is He referring to ALL THREE Persons (ALL THREE centers of self-consciousness)?

I think you would say HIMSELF (the first center of self-consciousness), but I would like confirmation.
Indeed YHWH(Father, Son, Holy Spirit)transcends all creation.
 

johnny guitar

Well-known member
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TRINITARIANS, could you please clarify what you believe...

When the Father says "I", is He referring to HIMSELF (THE FIRST center of self-consciousness) or is He referring to ALL THREE Persons (ALL THREE centers of self-consciousness)?

I think you would say HIMSELF (the first center of self-consciousness), but I would like confirmation.

And in full disclosure :) my follow-up question will be... When
Yahweh says "I", is He referring to ONE center of self-consciousness or THREE?


In contrast to the Trinitarian view that there are three WHO are transcendent, I believe there is only one WHO transcends all creations.

Here is an overview of what I believe...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one
who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
The Father is ONE Person, NOT three.
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
The Father is ONE Person, NOT three.

You didn't answer the question...

When the Father says "I", is He referring to HIMSELF (THE FIRST center of self-consciousness) or is He referring to ALL THREE Persons (ALL THREE centers of self-consciousness)?

I think you would say HIMSELF (the first center of self-consciousness), but I would like confirmation.

And in full disclosure :) my follow-up question will be... When
Yahweh says "I", is He referring to ONE center of self-consciousness or THREE?
 
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