When They Tell You What Underwear to Use - You Know You're in a Cult:

[Bonnie]

Mandatory: required by law or rules

Bonnie is right! In order to be blessed according to Mormonism, requirements have to be met. If you don't meet the requirements, you are told you will suffer the consequences of your disobedience. Those consequences include being assigned to a lower kingdom.

All mankind can be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

Wearing the garments is mandatory. Obedience is mandatory.

"… The Lord expects us to do all we can to save ourselves, and … after we have done all we can to save ourselves, then we can lean upon the mercies of the grace of our Heavenly Father. He gave his Son that through obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel we might gain our salvation, but not until we have done all we can do for ourselves.

"He gave his Son that through obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel we might gain our salvation, but not until we have done all we can do for ourselves. The Lord gives us, each one, a lamp to carry, but whether or not we shall have oil in our lamps depends solely upon each one of us. Whether or not we keep the commandments and supply the needed oil to light our way and to guide us on our way depends upon each of us individually. We cannot borrow from our Church membership. We cannot borrow from an illustrious ancestry. Whether or not we have oil in our lamps, I repeat, depends solely upon each one of us; it is determined by our faithfulness in keeping the commandments of the Living God.
Teachings of Harold B. Lee, Chapter 4

If you want salvation in the fullest, that is exaltation in the kingdom of God, so that you may become his sons and daughters, you have go to go into the temple of the Lord and receive these holy ordinances which belong to that house, which cannot be had elsewhere. No man shall receive the fullness of eternity, of exaltation, alone; no woman shall receive that blessing alone; but man and wife, when they receive the sealing power in the temple of the Lord, if they thereafter keep all the commandments, shall pass on to exaltation, and shall continue and become like the Lord.
Joseph fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 2, p. 44


D&C 130
20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—

21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

These quotes prove that the LDS church is not of God or from God. We can do absolutely NOTHING to save ourselves from spiritual destruction. NOTHING. Which is why Jesus came to keep the Law perfectly in our place, and suffer an ignominious death on the cross, to pay completely for all our sins, because "the wages of sin is death; but the FREE GIFT OF GOD is life eternal in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Jesus does not help those who help themselves--He helps those who admit that they are helpless to save themselves! The gift of eternal life must be received humbly by those who are willing to admit they can do nothing to earn eternal life. The Mormon version of the "Gospel"--which is NO gospel at all, as Paul says--does not permit its members to do that. Its version can lead to pride--"Look at me! I crossed all my Mormon "t's" and dotted all of its "i's"; therefore, I am worthy of eternal life!"

Foolish, foolish, foolish! Mormons should remember the Parable Jesus told of the two men who went up to the temple to pray.....which one did Jesus say came away justified?

 

[Aaron32]

No, but making it mandatory IS.

Mandatory: required by law or rules

Bonnie is right! In order to be blessed according to Mormonism, requirements have to be met. If you don't meet the requirements, you are told you will suffer the consequences of your disobedience. Those consequences include being assigned to a lower kingdom.

All mankind can be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.

Wearing the garments is mandatory. Obedience is mandatory.

"… The Lord expects us to do all we can to save ourselves, and … after we have done all we can to save ourselves, then we can lean upon the mercies of the grace of our Heavenly Father. He gave his Son that through obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel we might gain our salvation, but not until we have done all we can do for ourselves.

"He gave his Son that through obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel we might gain our salvation, but not until we have done all we can do for ourselves. The Lord gives us, each one, a lamp to carry, but whether or not we shall have oil in our lamps depends solely upon each one of us. Whether or not we keep the commandments and supply the needed oil to light our way and to guide us on our way depends upon each of us individually. We cannot borrow from our Church membership. We cannot borrow from an illustrious ancestry. Whether or not we have oil in our lamps, I repeat, depends solely upon each one of us; it is determined by our faithfulness in keeping the commandments of the Living God.
Teachings of Harold B. Lee, Chapter 4

If you want salvation in the fullest, that is exaltation in the kingdom of God, so that you may become his sons and daughters, you have go to go into the temple of the Lord and receive these holy ordinances which belong to that house, which cannot be had elsewhere. No man shall receive the fullness of eternity, of exaltation, alone; no woman shall receive that blessing alone; but man and wife, when they receive the sealing power in the temple of the Lord, if they thereafter keep all the commandments, shall pass on to exaltation, and shall continue and become like the Lord.
Joseph fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 2, p. 44


D&C 130
20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—

21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

That is very interesting proposal: allowing freedom of choice while still remaining faithful.
What commands in the Bible are mandatory vs optional? How would one discern which is which?

Have with of you considered that God's commands are the plan of happiness? And staying in remembrance of our covenants is part of that plan? Are you going to deny all the science that shows the correlation between dress and behavior? What would your argument be toward teenage girls that dress immodestly, getting new found positive attention at school? "Oh, just dress how you want, it's all good."? Would you consider yourself a "cult leader" if you held firm on making your child dress modestly even if they didn't have the maturity or experience to completely understand the reasoning behind your rules?

Im going to assume you don't treat God's law in the Bible as a suggestion. If you lived in the time when Moses, and the children of Israel were bitten by fiery flying serpents, I don't think you'd debate with/complain to Moses making people look to the serpent on the cross "mandatory" to survive.

I think the problem is you have a hard time believing in commandments being actual commandments when they're not found in the Bible. I'm guessing it challenges your tradition and/or your point of view.

Well, I wouldn't want any Mormon blindly following something for no reason whatsoever. Hopefully, they'd have a testimony that the Church is led by revelation before attending the temple. Hmmm...maybe that's why members have that discussion with their bishop and stake president prior to attending the temple.
And maybe that's why people who have been to the temple, and then left, call the Church "a cult" - because they didn't worship with "full purpose of heart" or didn't truly believe to begin with, they simply obeyed because they wanted: a) heavenly blessings, b) avoidance of 'hell', c) social purposes,etc. In other words, they worshipped out of self-interest, and didn't have an eye single to God's glory, and now their simply projecting their view on to others. Are these the people you'd really want to trust in teaching you about a religion they never truly believed in the first place? Well, I could only see that as justifiable if you never honestly sought to understand in the first place.

 

[Aaron32]

These quotes prove that the LDS church is not of God or from God. We can do absolutely NOTHING to save ourselves from spiritual destruction. NOTHING. Which is why Jesus came to keep the Law perfectly in our place, and suffer an ignominious death on the cross, to pay completely for all our sins, because "the wages of sin is death; but the FREE GIFT OF GOD is life eternal in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Well, yes, this is true, but there's nothing in Mormonism that conflicts with this, so maybe you misunderstood the full purpose behind the quotes.

Jesus does not help those who help themselves--He helps those who admit that they are helpless to save themselves! The gift of eternal life must be received humbly by those who are willing to admit they can do nothing to earn eternal life.

Maybe it's more than about obtaining salvation:
"And now, I would ask of you, my beloved brethren, wherein the Lamb of God did fulfil all righteousness in being baptized by water?
Know ye not that he was holy? But notwithstanding he being holy, he showeth unto the children of men that, according to the flesh he humbleth himself before the Father, and witnesseth unto the Father that he would be obedient unto him in keeping his commandments".

Thus, the sacramental prayers in renewing the baptismal covenant says they are "willing to" keep the commandments.Not out of self preservation or to prove how "good" we are, but simply because we love God and we will be blessed for being faithful:

A prophet in the Book of Mormon to his followers:
"as ye are desirous to come into the fold of God, and to be called his people, and are willing to bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light; 9 Yea, and are willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection, that ye may have eternal life— Now I say unto you, if this be the desire of your hearts, what have you against being baptized in the name of the Lord, as a witness before him that ye have entered into a covenant with him, that ye will serve him and keep his commandments, that he may pour out his Spirit more abundantly upon you?"

The Mormon version of the "Gospel"--which is NO gospel at all, as Paul says--does not permit its members to do that. Its version can lead to pride--"Look at me! I crossed all my Mormon "t's" and dotted all of its "i's"; therefore, I am worthy of eternal life!"

Projection. Not ALL Mormons are like that.
Yet, maybe this is why one of the central theme of the Book of Mormon is "the pride cycle".

Foolish, foolish, foolish! Mormons should remember the Parable Jesus told of the two men who went up to the temple to pray.....which one did Jesus say came away justified?

Oof. Maybe one should look to the beatitudes to the condition of one that calls someone else a fool.

 

[Aaron32]

Wearing the garments is mandatory. Obedience is mandatory.

"… The Lord expects us to do all we can to save ourselves, and … after we have done all we can to save ourselves, then we can lean upon the mercies of the grace of our Heavenly Father. He gave his Son that through obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel we might gain our salvation, but not until we have done all we can do for ourselves.

"He gave his Son that through obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel we might gain our salvation, but not until we have done all we can do for ourselves. The Lord gives us, each one, a lamp to carry, but whether or not we shall have oil in our lamps depends solely upon each one of us. Whether or not we keep the commandments and supply the needed oil to light our way and to guide us on our way depends upon each of us individually. We cannot borrow from our Church membership. We cannot borrow from an illustrious ancestry. Whether or not we have oil in our lamps, I repeat, depends solely upon each one of us; it is determined by our faithfulness in keeping the commandments of the Living God.
Teachings of Harold B. Lee, Chapter 4

So, if this is wrong, what should obey vs disobey? Where do I have permission to sin, and ignore God's commandments? When can I do less of all I know I can do?

If you want salvation in the fullest, that is exaltation in the kingdom of God, so that you may become his sons and daughters, you have go to go into the temple of the Lord and receive these holy ordinances which belong to that house, which cannot be had elsewhere. No man shall receive the fullness of eternity, of exaltation, alone; no woman shall receive that blessing alone; but man and wife, when they receive the sealing power in the temple of the Lord, if they thereafter keep all the commandments, shall pass on to exaltation, and shall continue and become like the Lord.
Joseph fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Volume 2, p. 44

How do you interpret Romans 8:17?
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

D&C 130
20 There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated—

21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

How do you know this is wrong? What evidence or reasoning do you have?

 

[Janice Bower]

Agreed. There's nothing inherently wrong with wearing clothing that would remind you of that concept.

We don't need temple garments (underwear) to remind us.

Psalm 119:11
"Thy word have I hid in my heart that I might no sin against thee."

We read His word until we've memorized it. The Holy Spirit reminds of what is necessary to avoid sin. If we fail in an area that we had not anticipated, we sorrowfully confess our sin, ask (or beg) for God's forgiveness and help to never do that again. What does God do? He forgives us and helps us to walk in the Light.

Psalm 42:1-2
As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God. My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come.

When I outgrew my tiny wedding ring, I didn't forget that I was married.

 

[Bonnie]

Well, yes, this is true, but there's nothing in Mormonism that conflicts with this, so maybe you misunderstood the full purpose behind the quotes.

Maybe it's more than about obtaining salvation:
"And now, I would ask of you, my beloved brethren, wherein the Lamb of God did fulfil all righteousness in being baptized by water?
Know ye not that he was holy? But notwithstanding he being holy, he showeth unto the children of men that, according to the flesh he humbleth himself before the Father, and witnesseth unto the Father that he would be obedient unto him in keeping his commandments".

Thus, the sacramental prayers in renewing the baptismal covenant says they are "willing to" keep the commandments.Not out of self preservation or to prove how "good" we are, but simply because we love God and we will be blessed for being faithful:

A prophet in the Book of Mormon to his followers:
"as ye are desirous to come into the fold of God, and to be called his people, and are willing to bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light; 9 Yea, and are willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection, that ye may have eternal life— Now I say unto you, if this be the desire of your hearts, what have you against being baptized in the name of the Lord, as a witness before him that ye have entered into a covenant with him, that ye will serve him and keep his commandments, that he may pour out his Spirit more abundantly upon you?"


Projection. Not ALL Mormons are like that.
Yet, maybe this is why one of the central theme of the Book of Mormon is "the pride cycle".


Oof. Maybe one should look to the beatitudes to the condition of one that calls someone else a fool.

I understand just fine. But the bottom line is, Mormons must EARN eternal life by obedience to your church's laws and regulations--such as doing temple works, keeping the WoW, etc. Where are these taught in the NT church in Acts?

And btw--quoting the BoM is useless and means nothing to me. It is not from God. If you want me to believe something, quote the Bible, and in context. Gotta go.

I am back. Oooff! I called NO ONE a fool on here. So, please do not make unfounded accusations.

 

[Janice Bower]

Well, yes, this is true, but there's nothing in Mormonism that conflicts with this, so maybe you misunderstood the full purpose behind the quotes.

Maybe it's more than about obtaining salvation:
"And now, I would ask of you, my beloved brethren, wherein the Lamb of God did fulfil all righteousness in being baptized by water?
Know ye not that he was holy? But notwithstanding he being holy, he showeth unto the children of men that, according to the flesh he humbleth himself before the Father, and witnesseth unto the Father that he would be obedient unto him in keeping his commandments".

Thus, the sacramental prayers in renewing the baptismal covenant says they are "willing to" keep the commandments.Not out of self preservation or to prove how "good" we are, but simply because we love God and we will be blessed for being faithful:

A prophet in the Book of Mormon to his followers:
"as ye are desirous to come into the fold of God, and to be called his people, and are willing to bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light; 9 Yea, and are willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection, that ye may have eternal life— Now I say unto you, if this be the desire of your hearts, what have you against being baptized in the name of the Lord, as a witness before him that ye have entered into a covenant with him, that ye will serve him and keep his commandments, that he may pour out his Spirit more abundantly upon you?"


Projection. Not ALL Mormons are like that.
Yet, maybe this is why one of the central theme of the Book of Mormon is "the pride cycle".


Oof. Maybe one should look to the beatitudes to the condition of one that calls someone else a fool.

God knows His sheep and they follow Him and avoid false gods, false prophets, false teachers, false teachings. Suggesting or even thinking that Christians don't read the beatitudes is definitely foolish. Lots of things are foolish. What we do doesn't save us. Jesus saved us and is conforming our will to His.

Psalm 51
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

I love praying the Psalms!



11 Cast me not away from thy apresence; and take not thy bholy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

 

[Janice Bower]

So, if this is wrong, what should obey vs disobey? Where do I have permission to sin, and ignore God's commandments? When can I do less of all I know I can do?

Christians desire God's will not Satan's. We aren't looking for permission to continue sinning. Mormon laws and ordinances aren't from God. It is a sin to follow Joseph Smith.

How do you interpret Romans 8:17?
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together

Simple. Do you see a problem?

Whatever trials in our lives as Christians are there for our benefit. My trials give me compassion for others. If someone is suffering pain or hardship or disappointment, I want to help, offer encouragement and hope.

How do you know this is wrong? What evidence or reasoning do you have?

God blessed us when He gave His Only Begotten Son for OUR sins, not His. He didn't expect us to do x, y, and z! Instead he forgave my sins and because HE brought me to Christ and leads me in paths of righteousness I am NEVER alone. The Bible and revelation of truth (I
prayed) are my evidence.
Ephesians 4:32
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

God has already forgiven me for Christ's sake!

 

[Janice Bower]

That is very interesting proposal: allowing freedom of choice while still remaining faithful.
What commands in the Bible are mandatory vs optional? How would one discern which is which?

Have with of you considered that God's commands are the plan of happiness? And staying in remembrance of our covenants is part of that plan? Are you going to deny all the science that shows the correlation between dress and behavior? What would your argument be toward teenage girls that dress immodestly, getting new found positive attention at school? "Oh, just dress how you want, it's all good."? Would you consider yourself a "cult leader" if you held firm on making your child dress modestly even if they didn't have the maturity or experience to completely understand the reasoning behind your rules?

Im going to assume you don't treat God's law in the Bible as a suggestion. If you lived in the time when Moses, and the children of Israel were bitten by fiery flying serpents, I don't think you'd debate with/complain to Moses making people look to the serpent on the cross "mandatory" to survive.

I think the problem is you have a hard time believing in commandments being actual commandments when they're not found in the Bible. I'm guessing it challenges your tradition and/or your point of view.

Well, I wouldn't want any Mormon blindly following something for no reason whatsoever. Hopefully, they'd have a testimony that the Church is led by revelation before attending the temple. Hmmm...maybe that's why members have that discussion with their bishop and stake president prior to attending the temple.
And maybe that's why people who have been to the temple, and then left, call the Church "a cult" - because they didn't worship with "full purpose of heart" or didn't truly believe to begin with, they simply obeyed because they wanted: a) heavenly blessings, b) avoidance of 'hell', c) social purposes,etc. In other words, they worshipped out of self-interest, and didn't have an eye single to God's glory, and now their simply projecting their view on to others. Are these the people you'd really want to trust in teaching you about a religion they never truly believed in the first place? Well, I could only see that as justifiable if you never honestly sought to understand in the first place.

The law was our schoolmaster and God used it to show us our failure and our utmost gratitude when HE brought us to Christ. Stop believing Mormon lies about Christians. We don't hate commandments! That is an absolute lie! Your entire post is filled with misconceptions of the Gospel of Christ, the book of Hebrews that Bonnie has repeatedly explained, and Theo explained Hebrews 1;1, the fact that our Jesus actually paid the penalty of our sins, the truth that we have been made new creatures in Christ, your inaccurate judgment of ex-Mormons, etc. Etc.!

 

[Catherineaurelia]

You ought to keep in mind all the good faithful believers who wear the cross around their necks. Why.

Mormons wear necklaces that are replicas of their temples. Try again.

 

[Bonnie]

God knows His sheep and they follow Him and avoid false gods, false prophets, false teachers, false teachings. Suggesting or even thinking that Christians don't read the beatitudes is definitely foolish. Lots of things are foolish. What we do doesn't save us. Jesus saved us and is conforming our will to His.

Psalm 51
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

I love praying the Psalms!



11 Cast me not away from thy apresence; and take not thy bholy spirit from me. 12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

We sing that in our Liturgy in nearly every church service. So, I love this Psalm, too.

 

[Catherineaurelia]

They don't give anyone temple garments, you buy them and key words you used where requested, attend, and urging.
There was no demand you had to do anything against your will.... oh my!

I don't really care if you wear Buddhist temple gowns under you clothing. You're free to do what you want. Joey Smith, after all, carried around an occult Jupiter talisman. He had it on him when he jumped out of the Carthage jail's window. (see this about Smith's occult talisman: http://archives.exmormon.org/Joseph-Smith-Magic-Talisman) My goal is to teach those who are considering the Mormon cult - let them know the truth about what will be expected of them should they join. This is NOT done by missionaries luring people into the Smith cult.

Here is a picture of the original Mormon undergarments showing Masonic symbols: IMAGE VIOLATION--only super members may post images. Link to the image, instead, if it is not to an unofficial Mormon website.

 

[Theo1689]

It is not mandatory. ?

I mean, it's not like we're going to throw you out of the church. Who checks your underwear anyway except your spouse? It is a question that is ask during the temple recommend interview if you're not wearing a garments and apparently you don't have faith and the gospel of Jesus Christ. In other words you're just one of those clueless Mormons that are more interested in fashion than you are in the covenants that you made with your God.

So it's not "mandatory".
But if you don't wear them, then you are labelled as "clueless" or "don't have faith".

I don't know anyone who is told that wearing particular underwear is "voluntary", but the wearers will keep that same underwear on some part of their Bible even when they're bathing or showering. OBVIOUSLY there is some kind of coercion going on.

And how sick and perverted are Mormon "bishops" who ask questions about a member's underwear wearing habits? Sick and perverted.

 

[Janice Bower]

So it's not "mandatory".
But if you don't wear them, then you are labelled as "clueless" or "don't have faith".

I don't know anyone who is told that wearing particular underwear is "voluntary", but the wearers will keep that same underwear on some part of their Bible even when they're bathing or showering. OBVIOUSLY there is some kind of coercion going on.

And how sick and perverted are Mormon "bishops" who ask questions about a member's underwear wearing habits? Sick and perverted.

I looked up the definition of mandatory. I think it fits because there are requirements for every single blessing. And i doubt if member wear it in the bath or shower. I think Bonnie got that right.

 

[Janice Bower]

Bishops don't ask us about our underwear. They keep thorough records of all members and Mormons shake hands every Sunday. I don't know if they use the secret handshakes outside the temple. But my husband claimed he could tell our neighbor was wearing garments. I couldn't tell.. I just want to know why the person typing my ex-communication letter assumed I was a temple Mormon. It was a rude letter.

 

[Theo1689]

Bishops don't ask us about our underwear.

I mean, it's not like we're going to throw you out of the church. Who checks your underwear anyway except your spouse? It is a question that is ask during the temple recommend interview if you're not wearing a garments and apparently you don't have faith and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

So what am I missing?

 

[Janice Bower]

So what am I missing?

I don't know. I never requested a temple recommend. Magdalena might have answers.

 

[Janice Bower]

So it's not "mandatory".
But if you don't wear them, then you are labelled as "clueless" or "don't have faith".

I don't know what is said behind our backs. Faith in Mormonism requires obedience. Baptism, IMO, shouldn't be performed on people without faith, but the missionary who baptized me and 3 family members said a testimony wasn't necessary; it would come later. I doubt that my husband had faith when he was baptizes by his friend. I also wonder about husband's friend who married someone who never wanted any children and she ended up going to prison!

 

[Catherineaurelia]

I don't really care if you wear Buddhist temple gowns under you clothing. You're free to do what you want. Joey Smith, after all, carried around an occult Jupiter talisman. He had it on him when he jumped out of the Carthage jail's window. (see this about Smith's occult talisman: http://archives.exmormon.org/Joseph-Smith-Magic-Talisman) My goal is to teach those who are considering the Mormon cult - let them know the truth about what will be expected of them should they join. This is NOT done by missionaries luring people into the Smith cult.

Here is a picture of the original Mormon undergarments showing Masonic symbols: IMAGE VIOLATION--only super members may post images. Link to the image, instead, if it is not to an unofficial Mormon website.

Sorry about that. This article deals with the changes since Joe Smith designed the special underwear for his followers, supposedly by revelation:

"How stuff works. The Sacred History of Mormon Underwear." Just copy and Google. You'd think Mormon god would have taken into consideration the updated modern clothing, not to mention the hygiene needs of wearers. Note the comments by women.

 

[Catherineaurelia]

According to Mormon history, Joey Smith received the design of the temple garments by special revelation:

"The first garments were made by Eliza R. Snow and Zina Young. They were cut out by the Prophet Joseph Smith and under his direction. They then asked him who showed him how, and he said. "An angel of the Lord." He stood over them while they were cut out. He also said, "The angel Moroni drew aside his robe and showed his marks." --George Albert Smith; Univ. Of Utah Special Collections; H. Michael Marquardt Papers,

So, apparently the angel Moroni wears the special Mormon garments and even exposed them to Joe. Now if you buy that, you'll also buy the "New Translation of the Bible" where Smith writes himself into the text. Joe Smith wrote himself into the Bible folks. See Youtube:

How Joseph Smith Tried to Write Himself Into the Bible​

So, apparently the Mormon deity did not foresee fashion changes. So much for omniscience. But have no fear, the Mormon leaders are righty on top of the matter and have modified the garments to make them more comfortable for modern Mormons. I guess the Quorum of Twelve is fashion conscious.

How can people really know these facts and not at least have some questions? As a Christian, I've always researched issues. Lot's of people out there have doubts about the Bible, or the reality of Jesus Christ. Christians are avid researchers and print their research for others to read right on the Internet. In fact, recently I began using "The Orthodox Study Bible" which is used by the Eastern Orthodox Church. The research in the texts is amazing, especially the quotes from the Early Church Fathers. Mormons out there - do some research. If Mormonism is true, what do you have to worry about? But if it's not true, your very soul is in great danger.