Where Christianity Diverges from Scripture

[Howie]

But I am not pretending to follow the Bible, Christians do. Can you see the difference?

Yes, you're pretending to know the Bible, you rascal.

Then tell me how you understand Job 42:11. I see no way to read it that does not say that all the trouble caused by Satan was God's responsibility.

I have pointed this out several times on this thread, and no one can show me how I am wrong.

God will tell you Himself about Job 42:11 in 45:1-7 .

As far as who's responsible, I've been over this with you already. Succinctly: God is sovereign over ALL things, and each creature is personally responsible for his own actions. God is not responsible for Satan's actions, Satan is. We know this for many reasons. First, Jesus says so in Lk 22:22 and elsewhere, and God has punished Satan for His actions. God has never punished Himself for Satan's actions. God is just and sinless. He only punishes those who sin.

Ironically, merely declaring I am wrong does exactly the reverse! It shows that (1) you cannot counter my claim, so supports my view of what the Bible says; and (2) Christianity holds to a non-Biblical position on this.

(I'm writing this down to share with friends. It's priceless.)

What do you think that shows?

I will just quote the last two verses:

Isaiah 456 So that people may know from the rising to the setting of the sun​

That there is no one besides Me.​

I am the Lord, and there is no one else,​

7 The One forming light and creating darkness,​

Causing [e]well-being and creating disaster;​

I am the Lord who does all these things.​

You think something saying God created the darkness and disasters helps you? I think those verses support my position! It says, as it does in Job, that God is the root cause of all bad things as well as good.

Lol, smh . Read Is 45:1-7, mouth. 🙄

 

[The Pixie]

Yes, you're pretending to know the Bible, you rascal.

There is a big difference between "know" and "follow". But okay, where do I claim to know the Bible?

I certainly have read and can quote parts of it, but I do not claim to know it.

God will tell you Himself about Job 42:11 in 45:1-7 .

Good, because clearly none of his worshipers can.

And maybe he will tell us both that I am right. It does say right there in the text that God was responsible for what Satan did. Why would it say that it it is not true?

As far as who's responsible, I've been over this with you already. Succinctly: God is sovereign over ALL things, and each creature is personally responsible for his own actions. God is not responsible for Satan's actions, Satan is.

So why does the text say God was responsible for what Satan did to Job?

Remember, the topic of this thread is points where Christianity diverges from the Bible. You pointing out that Christianity claims "God is not responsible for Satan's actions, Satan is", when taken against Job 24:11, is supporting my position.

If you want to show me wrong, you need to explain Job 24:11. And apparently we need God's input on that, because no Christian has a clue.

Lol, smh . Read Is 45:1-7, mouth. 🙄

I did read Isaiah 45:1-7, and it clearly states God is responsible for bad things as well as good.

Maybe you should read it.

 

[Howie]

There is a big difference between "know" and "follow". But okay, where do I claim to know the Bible?

I certainly have read and can quote parts of it, but I do not claim to know it.


Good, because clearly none of his worshipers can.

And maybe he will tell us both that I am right. It does say right there in the text that God was responsible for what Satan did. Why would it say that it it is not true?


So why does the text say God was responsible for what Satan did to Job?

Remember, the topic of this thread is points where Christianity diverges from the Bible. You pointing out that Christianity claims "God is not responsible for Satan's actions, Satan is", when taken against Job 24:11, is supporting my position.

If you want to show me wrong, you need to explain Job 24:11. And apparently we need God's input on that, because no Christian has a clue.


I did read Isaiah 45:1-7, and it clearly states God is responsible for bad things as well as good.

Maybe you should read it.

I'm not going to bicker with you. Just remember this maxim and you'll do well: the Pixie is always wrong; Howie is always right.

I see you're ignoring Lk 22:22, see also Pro. 16:9.

Remember, God is Sovereign over all things, and you are responsible for your actions (cf Pro 16:9; Lk 22:22)

Repent, Pixie, or you will perish.

 

[The Pixie]

I'm not going to bicker with you. Just remember this maxim and you'll do well: the Pixie is always wrong; Howie is always right.

I think that sums up your ability to present an argument.

Get back to me when you have something of substance to say.

I see you're ignoring Lk 22:22, see also Pro. 16:9.

Hey, you are right. Luke 22:22 directly contradicts what it says in Job 42:11.

Well done, Howie, you found a contradiction in the Bible.

Remember, God is Sovereign over all things, and you are responsible for your actions (cf Pro 16:9; Lk 22:22)

Well, it is your opinion God is sovereign.

But, as we just established, the Bible has this huge contradiction between Job 42:11, where it says everything Satan does is ultimately for God, and Luke 22:22, where it says Satan is opposed to God. Why should I believe a book that is so confused about that?

 

[Howie]

I think that sums up your ability to present an argument.

With respect to theology, yes.

Get back to me when you have something of substance to say.

Pixie, I have something you need, the key to eternal life. You have nothing I need.

Hey, you are right. Luke 22:22 directly contradicts what it says in Job 42:11.

You have nothing I need.

Well done, Howie, you found a contradiction in the Bible.

You have only worthless thoughts and worthless knowledge -- nothing I need.

Well, it is your opinion God is sovereign.

Having learned that from revelation, it's God's assertion about Himself.

But, as we just established, the Bible has this huge contradiction between Job 42:11, where it says everything Satan does is ultimately for God, and Luke 22:22, where it says Satan is opposed to God. Why should I believe a book that is so confused about that?

You can't believe until God gives you the ability to do so (Jn 6:44). It's apparent to me that God is only slightly more interested in you than you are in Him.

He's brought you to CARM, brought Chistians to you and is giving you truth through them. The more truth God gives you, the more culpable you for your unbelief -- God's sovereignty, your responsibility (cf Lk 22:22).