Where does the claim of 30,000+ protestant denominations come from and what exactly defines a denomination?

[Leatherneck0311]

and that is why His Catholic Church prevails!!!!

When Jesus made that promise the RCC did not yet exist.

 

[balshan]

should it be 50k?

You should be able to prove your claims, otherwise it is just false no matter what figure you use. But that does not seem to worry some RCs.

 

[balshan]

and that is why His Catholic Church prevails!!!!

The RCC hasn't prevailed, it has craved in to sin and gone through the gates of hell.

 

[balshan]

so much for Christ's promises 😞

Jesus can be trusted, the RCC, its popes and leaders can not. They reach a false gospel and make false claims, their actions prove the RCC is not Jesus' church. Their actions prove the RCC passes the bad tree test.

 

[balshan]

only 1 teaching authority

Not yours at all. It is the false leaders therefore the false authority.

 

[Arch Stanton]

When Jesus made that promise the RCC did not yet exist.

Christ made those promises to His Catholic Church.... later, that same Church moved its 'headquarters' to Rome.

 

[balshan]

Christ made those promises to His Catholic Church.... later, that same Church moved its 'headquarters' to Rome.

Not to your evil tree with wolves and false teachers. We are warned not to follow them. It is not the NT church,

 

[Mike McK]

I would say we aren't a denomination.... we didn't split.

So then, what would you call the "Great Schism" of 1054?

Then, there's the

• Bosnian Schism 1199
• Waldensian Schism 1215.
• Western Schism 1378
• Melkite-Orthodox Schism 1724
• Orthodox Reformation 19th century
• Restorationist movement begins 1850s
• Bulgarian schism 1872
• Old Catholic Church schism 1879
• Philippine Independent Church 1902
• Liberal Catholic movement 1913
  • Liberal Catholic Church schism 1916
• True Orthodox movement 1920s
  • Old Calendarism schisms 1923
• Church of the East Schism 1964
• Montaner Schism 1967–69
• Continuing Anglican movement schisms begin since 1977
• Society of Saint Pius X Considered materially schismatic from 1988 until 2005, canonically irregular
• Apostolic Catholic Church 1992
• Second Moscow–Constantinople schism 1996
• Anglican realignment schisms begin since 2002
  • The separation of the Anglican Church in North America from the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada 2009[30]
• Community of the Lady of All Peoples Quebec Excluded from the Catholic Church in April 2007[31]
• Third Moscow–Constantinople schism 2018

 

[pilgrim]

Oh, like Lady of Carmel church, lady of Perpetual hope church, st Louis cathedral, st Peter's basilica, church of Saint Mary's, and a host of other names that still denote an rcc establishment. All non rcc churches have a name doesn't mean they are all teaching different doctrine.

No those are Catholic. "One faith", not many.

 

[1Thess521]

I've read, on these very threads, the claim that protestantism is a mass of disunity comprised of 30,000+ denominations. I'm curious what a denomination is defined as. Is it a self governing church? Is it a church that maintains a jurisdiction (semi-autonomous)? I'm just seeking what rc's define as a denomination to justify the claim there are 30,000+ protestant denominations. Now, that said, if we can get past that question, what statistical data base do rc's refer to when they claim there are 30,000+ protestant denominations. There must be an authoritative resource that has compiled such data and I'm curious to see just who/what that is for rc's and how dependable it is as a resource.

This tally comes from the 2001 World Christian Encyclopedia, and it includes all denominations and paradenominations which self-identify as Christian, including Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, Old Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Gnostics, Bogomils, etc.
And even so, the number is too high. The World Christian Encyclopedia artificially inflates the number of Catholic "denominations" by counting Eastern Churches in communion with Rome as separate denominations. It likewise inflates the number of Eastern Orthodox "denominations" by counting Churches in communion with each other as distinct.


This reference lists 8,973 denominations under the heading "Protestant," and 22,146 more under the heading "Independent." Some, but not all, of the "independent" denominations may justly be described as Protestant. Still, these numbers may be inflated similarly to the numbers for Catholics and Orthodox. Suffice it to say that there are thousands of Protestant denominations."

https://freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2243954/posts

Also note: there is no such thing as a denomination of one:
And yet Catholics would consider my independent church as a denomination

 

[1Thess521]

No those are Catholic. "One faith", not many.

Why?
Because of the name on the sign?

 

[Mike McK]

So then, what would you call the "Great Schism" of 1054?

Then, there's the

• Bosnian Schism 1199
• Waldensian Schism 1215.
• Western Schism 1378
• Melkite-Orthodox Schism 1724
• Orthodox Reformation 19th century
• Restorationist movement begins 1850s
• Bulgarian schism 1872
• Old Catholic Church schism 1879
• Philippine Independent Church 1902
• Liberal Catholic movement 1913
  • Liberal Catholic Church schism 1916
• True Orthodox movement 1920s
  • Old Calendarism schisms 1923
• Church of the East Schism 1964
• Montaner Schism 1967–69
• Continuing Anglican movement schisms begin since 1977
• Society of Saint Pius X Considered materially schismatic from 1988 until 2005, canonically irregular
• Apostolic Catholic Church 1992
• Second Moscow–Constantinople schism 1996
• Anglican realignment schisms begin since 2002
  • The separation of the Anglican Church in North America from the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada 2009[30]
• Community of the Lady of All Peoples Quebec Excluded from the Catholic Church in April 2007[31]
• Third Moscow–Constantinople schism 2018

Hey, Arch Stanton, do you need more time to reply?

 

[Arch Stanton]

Hey, Arch Stanton, do you need more time to reply?

no -- splitting from Christ's One True Church happens all the time.

 

[Mike McK]

no -- splitting from Christ's One True Church happens all the time.

This is a logical fallacy called "begging the question". It has not been established that Catholicism is "Christ's One True Church" and the fact that there are numerous denominations within Catholicism show your claim to be untrue.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Even if it is 5, that is 4 too many! One faith, one flock, one shepherd, one spirit, one body, one heart and mind, no divisions.

And All "Catholics" are in unity???? Tell us another one!!! Rome threw away a significant portion of Caholics years ago when they grabbed the "primacy". You couldn't even elect a Catholic to be the Pope!!!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

There must be an authoritative resource that has compiled such data

That's a REALLY GOOD JOKE!!! Tell us another one!!!

 

[Arch Stanton]

This is a logical fallacy called "begging the question". It has not been established that Catholicism is "Christ's One True Church" and the fact that there are numerous denominations within Catholicism show your claim to be untrue.

You must be confusing denominations with the 24 Catholic Rites.... one of which is the Latin [Roman] Rite.

 

[Arch Stanton]

And All "Catholics" are in unity???? Tell us another one!!! Rome threw away a significant portion of Caholics years ago when they grabbed the "primacy". You couldn't even elect a Catholic to be the Pope!!!

“All in the Church must preserve unity in essentials. But let all, according to the gifts they have received enjoy a proper freedom, in their various forms of spiritual life and discipline, in their different liturgical rites, and even in their theological elaborations of revealed truth.”

UR 4

 

[Bob Carabbio]

“All in the Church must preserve unity in essentials. But let all, according to the gifts they have received enjoy a proper freedom, in their various forms of spiritual life and discipline, in their different liturgical rites, and even in their theological elaborations of revealed truth.”

UR 4

SO from your OWN WORDS, there's no "Catholic Unity".

 

[Arch Stanton]

SO from your OWN WORDS, there's no "Catholic Unity".

All roads lead to Rome!