Where will you spend eternity?

[Theo1689]

Good. Then you know it refers to something said;

Not necessarily.
You really shouldn't try to lecture me on Greek, when you are ocmpletely ignorant of the language.

Logos is not translated as son or Jesus or Messiah, etc.

Worthless straw-man.
Nobody said it was.
Why don't you try addressing what we ACTUALLY believe, rather than wasting everyone's time criticizing what we DON'T believe.

Scripture says that the logos "was god".
Scripture also says that this same logos "became flesh, and dwelt among us".

I'm sorry that you reject Scripture.

 

[Runningman]

Not necessarily.
You really shouldn't try to lecture me on Greek, when you are ocmpletely ignorant of the language.



Worthless straw-man.
Nobody said it was.
Why don't you try addressing what we ACTUALLY believe, rather than wasting everyone's time criticizing what we DON'T believe.

Scripture says that the logos "was god".
Scripture also says that this same logos "became flesh, and dwelt among us".

I'm sorry that you reject Scripture.

You keep posting John 1:1 about the word is God and John 1:14 about the word becoming flesh. You’re basically saying God’s thoughts and plans manifested and made a human. Jesus doesn’t have any preexistence except in God’s foreknowledge, hence all of the prophecies concerning him. Hence the word becoming flesh.

Perfect example of this is here:

Revelation 13
8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

So a good question for you is was Jesus slain one time or two times?

 

[Runningman]

The Word was God and the Word became flesh

Jesus was created. Most versions say he’s the beginning of God’s creation. Case closed.

Revelation 3
14“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.

 

[Theo1689]

You keep posting John 1:1 about the word is God and John 1:14 about the word becoming flesh.

Of course.
Because it is one of many passages which prove the deity of Christ.

Let me share with you some commentary by Greek scholar Dr. Daniel B. Wallace:

"The nominative case is the case that the subject is in. When the subject takes an equative verb like “is” (i.e., a verb that equates the subject with something else), then another noun also appears in the nominative case—the predicate nominative. In the sentence, “John is a man,” “John” is the subject and “man” is the predicate nominative. In English the subject and predicate nominative are distinguished by word order (the subject comes first). Not so in Greek. Since word order in Greek is quite flexible and is used for emphasis rather than for strict grammatical function, other means are used to distinguish subject from predicate nominative. For example, if one of the two nouns has the definite article, it is the subject."
"As we have said, word order is employed especially for the sake of emphasis. Generally speaking, when a word is thrown to the front of the clause it is done so for emphasis. When a predicate nominative is thrown in front of the verb, by virtue of word order it takes on emphasis. A good illustration of this is John 1:1c. The English versions typically have, “and the Word was God.” But in Greek, the word order has been reversed. It reads,
καὶ θεός ἦν ὁ λόγος
and God was the Word.
"We know that “the Word” is the subject because it has the definite article, and we translate it accordingly: “and the Word was God.” Two questions, both of theological import, should come to mind: (1) why was θεός thrown forward? and (2) why does it lack the article?"
"In brief, its emphatic position stresses its essence or quality: “What God was, the Word was” is how one translation brings out this force. Its lack of a definite article keeps us from identifying the person of the Word (Jesus Christ) with the person of “God” (the Father). That is to say, the word order tells us that Jesus Christ has all the divine attributes that the Father has; lack of the article tells us that Jesus Christ is not the Father. John’s wording here is beautifully compact! It is, in fact, one of the most elegantly terse theological statements one could ever find. As Martin Luther said, the lack of an article is against Sabellianism; the word order is against Arianism."
"To state this another way, look at how the different Greek constructions would be rendered:
καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν ὁ θεός
“and the Word was the God”
(i.e., the Father; Sabellianism)

καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν θεός
“and the Word was a god” (Arianism)

καὶ θεος ἦν ὁ λόγος
“and the Word was God” (Orthodoxy).
"Jesus Christ is God and has all the attributes that the Father has. But he is not the first person of the Trinity. All this is concisely affirmed in καὶ θεός ἦν ὁ λόγος."
-- Daniel B. Wallace

Now, if you think you understand Koine Greek in general, and the word, "logos" in particular, better than Dr. Wallace, then I respectfully suggest you open up your Bible and study humility.

You’re basically saying God’s thoughts and plans manifested and made a human.

Nope. That's YOUR misinterpretation.

Jesus doesn’t have any preexistence except in God’s foreknowledge,

Then you deny John 1:1, 8:58, Phil. 2:5-6, and a host of other passages.

Perfect example of this is here:

Revelation 13
8All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.

<Chuckle>
Let me guess... Like your buddy @SavedByTheLord, I'm guessing that you're quoting from the corrupt KJV. Am I close?

Rev. 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (ESV)

As you can plainly see, the Lamb wasn't slain "from the creation of the world", that's historically inaccurate. The names were written in the BOOK OF LIFE from before the foundation of the world.

So a good question for you is was Jesus slain one time or two times?

Only once... Two thousand years ago.
Because unlike you, I have an accurate Bible translation.

 

[Runningman]

Of course.
Because it is one of many passages which prove the deity of Christ.

Let me share with you some commentary by Greek scholar Dr. Daniel B. Wallace:

"The nominative case is the case that the subject is in. When the subject takes an equative verb like “is” (i.e., a verb that equates the subject with something else), then another noun also appears in the nominative case—the predicate nominative. In the sentence, “John is a man,” “John” is the subject and “man” is the predicate nominative. In English the subject and predicate nominative are distinguished by word order (the subject comes first). Not so in Greek. Since word order in Greek is quite flexible and is used for emphasis rather than for strict grammatical function, other means are used to distinguish subject from predicate nominative. For example, if one of the two nouns has the definite article, it is the subject."
"As we have said, word order is employed especially for the sake of emphasis. Generally speaking, when a word is thrown to the front of the clause it is done so for emphasis. When a predicate nominative is thrown in front of the verb, by virtue of word order it takes on emphasis. A good illustration of this is John 1:1c. The English versions typically have, “and the Word was God.” But in Greek, the word order has been reversed. It reads,
καὶ θεός ἦν ὁ λόγος
and God was the Word.
"We know that “the Word” is the subject because it has the definite article, and we translate it accordingly: “and the Word was God.” Two questions, both of theological import, should come to mind: (1) why was θεός thrown forward? and (2) why does it lack the article?"
"In brief, its emphatic position stresses its essence or quality: “What God was, the Word was” is how one translation brings out this force. Its lack of a definite article keeps us from identifying the person of the Word (Jesus Christ) with the person of “God” (the Father). That is to say, the word order tells us that Jesus Christ has all the divine attributes that the Father has; lack of the article tells us that Jesus Christ is not the Father. John’s wording here is beautifully compact! It is, in fact, one of the most elegantly terse theological statements one could ever find. As Martin Luther said, the lack of an article is against Sabellianism; the word order is against Arianism."
"To state this another way, look at how the different Greek constructions would be rendered:
καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν ὁ θεός
“and the Word was the God”
(i.e., the Father; Sabellianism)

καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν θεός
“and the Word was a god” (Arianism)

καὶ θεος ἦν ὁ λόγος
“and the Word was God” (Orthodoxy).
"Jesus Christ is God and has all the attributes that the Father has. But he is not the first person of the Trinity. All this is concisely affirmed in καὶ θεός ἦν ὁ λόγος."
-- Daniel B. Wallace

Now, if you think you understand Koine Greek in general, and the word, "logos" in particular, better than Dr. Wallace, then I respectfully suggest you open up your Bible and study humility.

Look anywhere on the New Testament and you’ll find no examples of Jesus being referred to as the word. I suggest you study with humility.

Nope. That's YOUR misinterpretation.

It’s correct because God’s word became flesh. Throughout the Bible God creates using words.

Then you deny John 1:1, 8:58, Phil. 2:5-6, and a host of other passages.

Biblical context is your enemy.

You’re denying them. John 1:1 says the word is God. It doesn’t say the logos is Jesus. John 1:14 says Jesus is begotten of the Father.

John 8:58, if you’ll read the context, verse 56 says Abraham rejoiced he would see Jesus’ day. Jesus wasn’t born until much later. This is in reference to prophecy. There are no examples of Jesus speaking to the Father in the Old Testament or interacting with anyone.

I guess you aren’t reading anything I’m writing because you keep posting the same debunked verses. Philippines 2:6 refers to Jesus being in then “form” of God. Look it up, it refers to the outward appearance,

There are no other passages.

<Chuckle>
Let me guess... Like your buddy @SavedByTheLord, I'm guessing that you're quoting from the corrupt KJV. Am I close?

Rev. 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. (ESV)

As you can plainly see, the Lamb wasn't slain "from the creation of the world", that's historically inaccurate. The names were written in the BOOK OF LIFE from before the foundation of the world.



Only once... Two thousand years ago.
Because unlike you, I have an accurate Bible translation.

So when the Bible doesn’t say what you like you just find a different version? Let’s take one from your book. Go talk to the Greek scholars who say Jesus was slain before the creation of the world if you want to get laughed at hysterically. Swallow your pride before you do.

 

[Theo1689]

Look anywhere on the New Testament and you’ll find no examples of Jesus being referred to as the word.

I've never denied that.

I suggest you study with humility.

And John tells us that "the word" (which you agree is Jesus) is GOD.
Why do you refuse to accept Scripture?

You’re denying them. John 1:1 says the word is God. It doesn’t say the logos is Jesus. John 1:14 says Jesus is begotten of the Father.

Verse 14 says that "the word" (the same one mentioned in v.1, who is God) "became flesh, and dwelt among us". And you ADMIT that John 1:14 is referring to Jesus.

John 8:58, if you’ll read the context, verse 56 says Abraham rejoiced he would see Jesus’ day. Jesus wasn’t born until much later.

John 8:58 is a conflation of Ex. 3:14 (where God reveals His name as "I AM", and Ps. 90:2:

Psa. 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

And the Jews understood this, which is why they tried to stone Him for claiming to be God:
I am.”

John 8:59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

This is in reference to prophecy. There are no examples of Jesus speaking to the Father in the Old Testament or interacting with anyone.

JEsus taught that Isaiah saw Christ's glory (Isa. 6) in John 12:41.

I guess you aren’t reading anything I’m writing because you keep posting the same debunked verses.

Or maybe you utterly failed at "debunking".
I'll let the readers decide.

Philippines 2:6 refers to Jesus being in then “form” of God. Look it up, it refers to the outward appearance,

You have no clue what you're referring to.
You have given ZERO evidence that "it refers to the outward appearance".

So when the Bible doesn’t say what you like you just find a different version?

Nope.
I've been using the ESV for over a decade.

Let’s take one from your book. Go talk to the Greek scholars who say Jesus was slain before the creation of the world if you want to get laughed at hysterically.

I would, but I can't find any.
All the Greek scholars agree with me.
And I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the KJV translators are all dead, which would make any conversation very boring, and no "laughing" involved.

The NIV and NASB both observe that both renderings are grammatically possible, no scholar who disagrees with me would "laugh" at my understanding.

And the translators of the NET had this to say:

"The prepositional phrase “since the foundation of the world” is traditionally translated as a modifier of the immediately preceding phrase in the Greek text, “the Lamb who was killed” (so also G. B. Caird, Revelation [HNTC], 168), but it is more likely that the phrase “since the foundation of the world” modifies the verb “written” (as translated above). Confirmation of this can be found in Rev 17:8 where the phrase “written in the book of life since the foundation of the world” occurs with no ambiguity."

The combination of the fact that Christ was not slain "from the foundation of the world", and the fact that "the foundation of the world" modifies "written in the book of life" in Rev. 17:8 makes your preferred interpretation very unlikely.

So as usual, you have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Runningman]

I've never denied that.



And John tells us that "the word" (which you agree is Jesus) is GOD.
Why do you refuse to accept Scripture?



Verse 14 says that "the word" (the same one mentioned in v.1, who is God) "became flesh, and dwelt among us". And you ADMIT that John 1:14 is referring to Jesus.



John 8:58 is a conflation of Ex. 3:14 (where God reveals His name as "I AM", and Ps. 90:2:

Psa. 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

And the Jews understood this, which is why they tried to stone Him for claiming to be God:
I am.”

John 8:59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.



JEsus taught that Isaiah saw Christ's glory (Isa. 6) in John 12:41.



Or maybe you utterly failed at "debunking".
I'll let the readers decide.



You have no clue what you're referring to.
You have given ZERO evidence that "it refers to the outward appearance".



Nope.
I've been using the ESV for over a decade.



I would, but I can't find any.
All the Greek scholars agree with me.
And I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but the KJV translators are all dead, which would make any conversation very boring, and no "laughing" involved.

The NIV and NASB both observe that both renderings are grammatically possible, no scholar who disagrees with me would "laugh" at my understanding.

And the translators of the NET had this to say:

"The prepositional phrase “since the foundation of the world” is traditionally translated as a modifier of the immediately preceding phrase in the Greek text, “the Lamb who was killed” (so also G. B. Caird, Revelation [HNTC], 168), but it is more likely that the phrase “since the foundation of the world” modifies the verb “written” (as translated above). Confirmation of this can be found in Rev 17:8 where the phrase “written in the book of life since the foundation of the world” occurs with no ambiguity."

The combination of the fact that Christ was not slain "from the foundation of the world", and the fact that "the foundation of the world" modifies "written in the book of life" in Rev. 17:8 makes your preferred interpretation very unlikely.

So as usual, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Stunning ignorance. Show me one example of your "God the Son" uttering a single word or doing a single thing in the Old Testament.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Stunning ignorance. Show me one example of your "God the Son" uttering a single word or doing a single thing in the Old Testament.

First in the following passage from Isaiah, verses 12, 13, and 16 are all spoken by the same speaker if you follow the passage. Obviously, the speaker in verse 12 and 13 is God Almighty, the Creator of all things. Look at the phrase "I have not spoken in secret from the beginning". This identifies the speaker as God Almighty also, since from the beginning refers back to creation, especially Genesis 1:1. So the speaker, who is God, says that "the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me." So that proves not only that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the one speaking but also that Jesus Christ is God. It is also a declaration of the triune God Almighty, aka, the Trinity.

12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

The triune God Almighty is also shown in other scripture. Jesus Christ is the Word, and the Word was God, and was made flesh and dwelt among us.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7

The triune God Almighty is shown in the following verse. Note that “name” is singular. Thus, one God in three persons. Jesus Christ, who is the Son, is God, as is the Father and the Holy Ghost.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: - Matt 28:19

The triune God Almighty was revealed in Genesis 1. Note in the following passage God refers to God as plural 3 times in verse 26. God does not give His glory as Creator to another (see Isa 42:8). So the 3 plural pronouns must refer to God alone. So although there is only one God, singular, God must also be plural. The 3 plural pronouns reveal that there is one God in three persons. The 3 creates in verse 27 also reveal the triune God Almighty.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness … 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Gen 1:26-27

Here is a second passage from the OT spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ, God, the Son of God. The key is "and be saved". Jesus Christ is the Saviour. So this is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, speaking. It is also yet another proof that Christ is God.

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. - Isa 45:22

In essence the above references when Christ is crucified on the cross for all our sins. That is what John the Baptist talks about in John1:29 and Christ talked about in John 3:14

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. - John 1:29

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: - John 3:14

 

[Runningman]

First in the following passage from Isaiah, verses 12, 13, and 16 are all spoken by the same speaker if you follow the passage. Obviously, the speaker in verse 12 and 13 is God Almighty, the Creator of all things. Look at the phrase "I have not spoken in secret from the beginning". This identifies the speaker as God Almighty also, since from the beginning refers back to creation, especially Genesis 1:1. So the speaker, who is God, says that "the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me." So that proves not only that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is the one speaking but also that Jesus Christ is God. It is also a declaration of the triune God Almighty, aka, the Trinity.

12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

The triune God Almighty is also shown in other scripture. Jesus Christ is the Word, and the Word was God, and was made flesh and dwelt among us.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7

The triune God Almighty is shown in the following verse. Note that “name” is singular. Thus, one God in three persons. Jesus Christ, who is the Son, is God, as is the Father and the Holy Ghost.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: - Matt 28:19

The triune God Almighty was revealed in Genesis 1. Note in the following passage God refers to God as plural 3 times in verse 26. God does not give His glory as Creator to another (see Isa 42:8). So the 3 plural pronouns must refer to God alone. So although there is only one God, singular, God must also be plural. The 3 plural pronouns reveal that there is one God in three persons. The 3 creates in verse 27 also reveal the triune God Almighty.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness … 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. - Gen 1:26-27

Here is a second passage from the OT spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ, God, the Son of God. The key is "and be saved". Jesus Christ is the Saviour. So this is Jesus Christ, the Son of God, speaking. It is also yet another proof that Christ is God.

Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. - Isa 45:22

In essence the above references when Christ is crucified on the cross for all our sins. That is what John the Baptist talks about in John1:29 and Christ talked about in John 3:14

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. - John 1:29

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: - John 3:14

I was expecting an honest and genuine answer. Don’t just muddy the waters with a bunch of things that don’t answer what I asked. You have nothing that clearly demonstrates Jesus doing anything in the Old Testament. Gee, he must have not existed and must not be God then.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

I was expecting an honest and genuine answer. Don’t just muddy the waters with a bunch of things that don’t answer what I asked. You have nothing that clearly demonstrates Jesus doing anything in the Old Testament. Gee, he must have not existed and must not be God then.

I gave you 2 passages from the OT where I showed that He was speaking. And it was Christ that created all things. So that is Jesus Christ creating everything in Genesis 1.

 

[Runningman]

I gave you 2 passages from the OT where I showed that He was speaking. And it was Christ that created all things. So that is Jesus Christ creating everything in Genesis 1.

You strung verses together and created an interpretation. That was just an exercise to get you thinking. The point was to make you realize there are no "Thus saith God the Son" or "Thus saith the Son of God" in the Old Testament. He didn't exist except for in prophecy, i.e., the logos of God - that is the thoughts and foreknowledge of God.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

You strung verses together and created an interpretation. That was just an exercise to get you thinking. The point was to make you realize there are no "Thus saith God the Son" or "Thus saith the Son of God" in the Old Testament. He didn't exist except for in prophecy, i.e., the logos of God - that is the thoughts and foreknowledge of God.

There are many passages that show Jesus Christ is God.

In the following verse, Thomas calls Jesus Christ, the Son, “God”. Christ did not correct him.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. - John 20:28

Now we know that Jesus Christ is God. By the law of contradiction, it could be that He is not God.

 

[Runningman]

There are many passages that show Jesus Christ is God.

In the following verse, Thomas calls Jesus Christ, the Son, “God”. Christ did not correct him.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. - John 20:28

Now we know that Jesus Christ is God. By the law of contradiction, it could be that He is not God.

Jesus Christ isn't God. No offense, but only a very unwise person would base their theology on the words of Doubting Thomas. Furthermore, he didn't say "You are God." Jesus was clear the only true God is the Father (John 17:3) therefore Thomas was calling out to the Father or perhaps he was in shock and awe at seeing a hole in Jesus' side and hands. Sometimes even today people say "Oh my God" when they are surprised. Thomas may have been doing that.

Thomas was not blessed for his bad attitude.

Now let's see who Jesus really is:

Matt 16
15“But what about you?” Jesus asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven.

So now that we know Jesus is the Son of the living God and Messiah then we know he isn't God.

 

[Gary Mac]

That's referring to the Father, not to the Son.
The Son took on a body of flesh. The Father didn't.

Yes God is not a man and never made Himself flesh.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Yes He is manifest in all flesh who will recieve Him. Jesus was very clear in this in Luke 17:2-21, the kingdom of GHod doesnt come with observation, it is within you. And he also was very clear when he told Thomas Spirit doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. Is not God a Spirit?

It's too bad you don't believe Scripture.

It is to bad tha you dont understand what it says spiritually.

Phil. 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

It's too bad you don't believe Scripture.

It is to bad that you do not follow that what Jesus said of himself and his God he called father.

Correct.
That doesn't mean that He's not God.

God is a Spirit not a man

You would need to provide a verse that says, "Jesus is not God".

You would have to believe Jesus in this but I doubt that you will.

John 5:19. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 5:30-47 KJV. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father who sent me.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

You dont believe him do you? You dont believe Matt 3:16 either where God Himself came to Jesus and what happened? Did He not reveal who He is and open up all of His heaven in that man?

Now we will her how you try and explain away the simplicity in what Jesus said of himself.

God the Father is not a son of man.

Thats right God is a Spirit and not a man, and if you are going to worship God at all is has to be in His same Spirit of mind.

But God the Son is a son of man.

There is not such thing as god the son. God is a Spirit not a son LOL, and you must worship Him in Spirit just as Jesus did.

Jesus is called "Son of man" (Matt. 8:20, 9:8, etc.) proving He is a man.

That is because he was son of man, made of a woman born under the law just as you and I were.

And He is called "Son of God" (Mark 1:1, John 1:34, etc.) proving that He is God.

Just as all off Gods sons are called His sons.

Correct. That doesn't mean that He's not God.

If Jesus is a god then you have made him one.

Correct.
And Jesus is God (John 1:1) who became flesh (John 1:14).

Here is what it really says.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And remove mans editing from opinions that is between the ( )s and here is originally what it says without mans opinions.

4 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.

Our flesh, Jesus was spot on in Luke 17;20-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is within you. God came into Jesus flesh in Matt 3:16. He came into Adam flesh in Gen 3;22, Abraham, Moses, 120 all were His flesh, the place God resides and right down to this latter reign, my flesh.

So that doesn't prove that He's not God.

What proves he was not god is in these scriptures I quoted of Jesus.

No, Jesus did NOT "deny being God".
He did not say, "I am not God".

Sure he did, he said he could do noting at all without his God who sent him. You just do not believe Jesus is all.

So you're rejecting Scripture, by claiming the sinless Jesus is not "good"?

You are rejecting Jesus in what he says in scripture of himself.

Jesus was here using the socratic method to get the man to figure out that Jesus IS God.

LOL

1) Jesus is good.
2) Only God is good.
3) Therefore Jesus is God.
4) Q.E.D.

No man is good only God is good. God is short for Good, and God is a Spirit not a man.

That doesn't mean that He's not God.

Not for you who do not know the same God who came to Jesus and revealed in him who He is.

No, the FATHER is greater than Jesus.

Actually equal with God as we all are who has His same disposition of mind, that of Love, Holy Love, or Holy Spirit that Love is referred to. We awl;kl as He walks in His same light with the same signs following, perfect even as our Father ion. heaven is perfect Matt 5:48.

You are different from Him aren't you?

That doesn't mean that Jesus is not God.

In your eyes in carnality I agree.

You need to stop conflating the Father ("who") with "God" ("what").
Jesus is not the Father.
But Jesus is God/deity.

All who has from God that what Jesus had from Him walk in His deity. We are in His same image that He treats man to be spiritually by the Spirit He is.

That doesn't mean that Jesus isn't God.

It means you dont know either of them who God is and Jesus was.

Yes, of course He did. Do you think Jesus was going to be an atheist?
Jesus worshipped the Father.
That doesn't mean that He isn't God/deity.

But you are saying Jesus is God, the Father, then you say Jesus worship his God? Man, you are fickle.

Jesus prayed to the Father.

So does all who has the same Father

That doesn't mean that He's not God/deity.

If that is so then Im God as well for I pray to Him as well.

None of those verses teach that "the disciplies did not believe Jesus is God".
Let's see...

The Jews believed Jesus was claiming to be God (John 8:558-59).

Falsely accusing him of being God just as most today falsely accuse him of. Jesus was innocent then and he is innocent of the same charges today.

Thomas believed Jesus was God (John 20:28).

Noe he didnt at all, in fact on the contrary. Jesus was clear to Thomas that Spirit, and mind you God is a Spirit, does not have flesh and bone as you see me.

John believed Jesus was God (John 20:28).

I said the same things when I saw God, so did Jesus in Matt 3:16 when he bowed to the GHod who manifested Himself in that man just as He did in Thomas.
To be continued in next post.

 

[Gary Mac]

Luke believed Jesus was God (Acts 20:28).

No he didnt proven in Luke 17:20-21.

Peter believed Jesus was God (2 Pet. 1:1).

No he didnt he became like God when God who is a Spirit came to resides in him, only then did he go about as Jesus did in the Father, and for that he faced the same fait as Jesus did in crucifixion.

Paul believed Jesus was God (Phil. 2:5-6, Tit. 2:13).

No he didn't he saw Jesus coming and told him there is one that I cannot give you, and what happened? The One who did give Him was Spirit and opened up all of His heaven in that man, just as he did in John. John knew what was about to happen in Jesus from his own experiences with God who is a Spirit.

The author of Hebrews believed Jesus was God (Heb. 1:8).

Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Correct. And that doesn't mean that Jesus isn't God.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Correct.
He's also God.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

In the sense that He's not a renegade deity.
He is united with the Father.
That doesn't mean that He's not God.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

No, the FATHER gave Jesus the power to forgive sins.

Just as He does in us all who is born of God His children as Jesus was a born of Him in Matt 3:16.

That doesn't mean that Jesus isn't God/deity.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

I'm sorry that you reject the Bible:

Im sorry you dont have a clue what it actually says.

John 1:1 ... and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh [...]
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 20:28 [...] to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Rom. 9:5 [...] is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Phil. 2:5 [...] Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, [...]
Col. 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Titus 2:13 [...] the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Heb. 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, [...]
2Pet. 1:1 [...] by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

I'm sorry that you refuse to believe Scripture.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

And what's worse, you are trying to pit Scripture against Scripture, by trying to find passages that deny the deity of Jesus (when in fact they don't), and try to use worthless rationalization (eg. "if he's man he can't be God) in order to reject other Scripture.

You however are trying to pit scripture against scripture by trying to find passages that that you dont understand at all and make your god flesh and not Spirit who came to that man and opens up who He is.

You dont have a clue what it is to walk in the deity of Gods anointing is the real truth here. Why? because you have made your own gods of flesh in your own image is why.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

No he didnt proven in Luke 17:20-21.

No he didnt he became like God when God who is a Spirit came to resides in him, only then did he go about as Jesus did in the Father, and for that he faced the same fait as Jesus did in crucifixion.

No he didn't he saw Jesus coming and told him there is one that I cannot give you, and what happened? The One who did give Him was Spirit and opened up all of His heaven in that man, just as he did in John. John knew what was about to happen in Jesus from his own experiences with God who is a Spirit.

Heb. 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


Just as He does in us all who is born of God His children as Jesus was a born of Him in Matt 3:16.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


Im sorry you dont have a clue what it actually says.


John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


You however are trying to pit scripture against scripture by trying to find passages that that you dont understand at all and make your god flesh and not Spirit who came to that man and opens up who He is.

You dont have a clue what it is to walk in the deity of Gods anointing is the real truth here. Why? because you have made your own gods of flesh in your own image is why.

Nonsense.

Jesus Christ is called “the Lord” many times.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. - Luke 2:11

See also: Matt 3:3, Matt 21:3, Matt 28:6, Mark 1:3, Mark 11:3, Mark 16:20, Luke 1:17, Luke 3:4, Luke 7:13, Luke 7:31, Luke 10:1, Luke 11:39, Luke 12:42, Luke 13:15, Luke 17:5, Luke 17:6, Luke 18:6, Luke 19:8, Luke 19:31, Luke 19:34, Luke 22:31, Luke 22:61, Luke 24:34, John 1:23, John 4:1, John 6:23, John 11:2, John 20:2, John 20:18, John 20:20, John 20:25, John 21:7, John 21:12, Acts 2:21, Acts 2:25, Acts 2:47, Acts 4:33, Acts 5:14, Acts 8:24, Acts 9:1, Acts 9:5, Acts 9:6, Acts 9:10, Acts 9:11, Acts 9:15, Acts 9:17, Acts 9:27, Acts 9:29, Acts 9:31, Acts 9:35, Acts 9:42, Acts 10:48, Acts 11:16, Acts 11:17, Acts 11:21, Acts 11:23, Acts 11:24, Acts 12:11, Acts 12:17, Acts 13:2, Acts 13:10, Acts 13:11, Acts 13:47, Acts 13:48, Acts 13:49, Acts 14:3, Acts 14:23, Acts 15:17, Acts 15:35, Acts 15:46, Acts 16:10, Acts 16:14, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:31, Acts 16:32, Acts 17:24, Acts 17:27, Acts 18:8, Acts 18:9, Acts 18:25, Acts 19:10, Acts 19:17, Acts 20:19, Acts 21:14, Acts 21:20, Acts 22:10, Acts 22:16, Acts 22:19, Acts 23:11, Rom 4:8, Rom 9:28, Rom 10:13, Rom 11:34, Rom 12:11, Rom 12:19, Rom 14:6, Rom 14:8, Rom 14:9, Rom 14:11, Rom 15:11, Rom 16:2, Rom 16:8, Rom 16:11, Rom 16:12, Rom 16:13, Rom 16:22, 1 Cor 1:31, 1 Cor 2:8, 1 Cor 2:16, 1 Cor 3:5, 1 Cor 3:20, 1 Cor 4:4, 1 Cor 4:5, 1 Cor 4:17, 1 Cor 4:19, 1 Cor 6:13, 1 Cor 6:14, 1 Cor 6:17, 1 Cor 7:10, 1 Cor 7:12, 1 Cor 7:17, 1 Cor 7:22, 1 Cor 7:25, 1 Cor 7:32, 1 Cor 7:34, 1 Cor 7:35, 1 Cor 7:39, 1 Cor 9:1, 1 Cor 9:1, 1 Cor 9:2, 1 Cor 9:5, 1 Cor 9:14, 1 Cor 10:21, 1 Cor 10:22, 1 Cor 10:26, 1 Cor 10:28, 1 Cor 11:20, 1 Cor 11:23, 1 Cor 11:26, 1 Cor 11:27, 1 Cor 11:29, 1 Cor 11:32, 1 Cor 14:21, 1 Cor 14:37, 1 Cor 15:58, 1 Cor 16:7, 1 Cor 16:10, 1 Cor 16:19, 2 Cor 2:12, 2 Cor 3:16, 2 Cor 3:17, 2 Cor 3:18, 2 Cor 5:6, 2 Cor 5:8, 2 Cor 5:11, 2 Cor 6:17, 2 Cor 8:5, 2 Cor 8:21, 2 Cor 10:8, 2 Cor 10:17, 2 Cor 10:18, 2 Cor 11:17, 2 Cor 12:1, 2 Cor 12:8, 2 Cor 13:10, Gal 1:19, Gal 5:10, Eph 2:21, Eph 4:1, Eph 4:17, Eph 5:8, Eph 5:10, Eph 5:17, Eph 5:19, Eph 5:22, Eph 5:29, Eph 6:1, Eph 6:4, Eph 6:7, Eph 6:8, Eph 6:10, Eph 6:21, Phil 1:14, Phil 2:24, Phil 2:29, Phil 3:1, Phil 4:1, Phil 4:2, Phil 4:4, Phil 4:5, Phil 4:10, Col 1:10, Col 3:16, Col 3:18, Col 3:20, Col 3:23, Col 3:24, Col 4:7, Col 4:17, 1 Thess 1:6, 1 Thess 1:10, 1 Thess 3:8, 1 Thes 3:12, 1 Thess 4:6, 1 Thess 4;15, 1 Thess 4:16, 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Thess 5:1, 1 Thess 5:2, 1 Thess 5:12: 1 Thess 5:27, 2 Thess 1:9, 2 Thess 2:8, 2 Thess 2:13, 2 Thess 3:1, 2 Thess 3:3, 2 Thess 3:4, 2 Thess 3:5, 2 Thess 3:16, 1 Tim 6:15, 2 Tim 1:8, 2 Tim 1:16, 2 Tim 1:18, 2 Tim 2:7, 2 Tim 2:14, 2 Tim 2:19, 2 Tim 2:22, 2 Tim 2:24, 2 Tim 3:11, 2 Tim 4:6-8, 2 Tim 4:14, 2 Tim 4:17, 2 Tim 4:18, Phile 1:16, Phile 1:20, Heb 1:10, Heb 2:3, Heb 7:21, Heb 8:2, Heb 8:10, Heb 8:11, Heb 10:16, Heb 10:30, Heb 12:6, Heb 12:14, Heb 13:6, Heb 13:20, James 1:7, James 1:12, James 2:1, James 4:10, James 4:15, James 5:7, James 5:8, James 5:10, James 5:11, James 5:14, James 5:15, 1 Pet 1:25, 1 Pet 2:3, 1 Pet 2:13, 1 Pet 3:12, 2 Pet 2:1, 2 Pet 2:9, 2 Pet 2:11, 2 Pet 2:20, 2 Pet 3:2 , 2 Pet 3:8, 2 Pet 3:9, 2 Pet 3:10, 2 Pet 3:15, Jude 1:5, Jude 1:9, Jude 1:14, Rev 1:8, Rev 1:10, Rev 14:13, Rev 17:14

That is over 200 times where Christ is called the Lord, all which prove Christ is God.

 

[Gary Mac]

God didn't become sin and die. Jesus became sin and died. Therefore Jesus isn't God.

So who died for your sins on a cross. God or a perfect man who became sin?

His god has been dead for 2000 years. If he would open the door to the one who is knocking at it this day, He will come to him and sup with him and be in him just as Jesus opens it and He came to Jesus in Matt 3:16.

Rev 3:20. Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Hje doesnt believe a word in the Bible, he is to busy writing his own bible.

 

[Runningman]

Nonsense.

Jesus Christ is called “the Lord” many times.

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. - Luke 2:11

See also: Matt 3:3, Matt 21:3, Matt 28:6, Mark 1:3, Mark 11:3, Mark 16:20, Luke 1:17, Luke 3:4, Luke 7:13, Luke 7:31, Luke 10:1, Luke 11:39, Luke 12:42, Luke 13:15, Luke 17:5, Luke 17:6, Luke 18:6, Luke 19:8, Luke 19:31, Luke 19:34, Luke 22:31, Luke 22:61, Luke 24:34, John 1:23, John 4:1, John 6:23, John 11:2, John 20:2, John 20:18, John 20:20, John 20:25, John 21:7, John 21:12, Acts 2:21, Acts 2:25, Acts 2:47, Acts 4:33, Acts 5:14, Acts 8:24, Acts 9:1, Acts 9:5, Acts 9:6, Acts 9:10, Acts 9:11, Acts 9:15, Acts 9:17, Acts 9:27, Acts 9:29, Acts 9:31, Acts 9:35, Acts 9:42, Acts 10:48, Acts 11:16, Acts 11:17, Acts 11:21, Acts 11:23, Acts 11:24, Acts 12:11, Acts 12:17, Acts 13:2, Acts 13:10, Acts 13:11, Acts 13:47, Acts 13:48, Acts 13:49, Acts 14:3, Acts 14:23, Acts 15:17, Acts 15:35, Acts 15:46, Acts 16:10, Acts 16:14, Acts 16:15, Acts 16:31, Acts 16:32, Acts 17:24, Acts 17:27, Acts 18:8, Acts 18:9, Acts 18:25, Acts 19:10, Acts 19:17, Acts 20:19, Acts 21:14, Acts 21:20, Acts 22:10, Acts 22:16, Acts 22:19, Acts 23:11, Rom 4:8, Rom 9:28, Rom 10:13, Rom 11:34, Rom 12:11, Rom 12:19, Rom 14:6, Rom 14:8, Rom 14:9, Rom 14:11, Rom 15:11, Rom 16:2, Rom 16:8, Rom 16:11, Rom 16:12, Rom 16:13, Rom 16:22, 1 Cor 1:31, 1 Cor 2:8, 1 Cor 2:16, 1 Cor 3:5, 1 Cor 3:20, 1 Cor 4:4, 1 Cor 4:5, 1 Cor 4:17, 1 Cor 4:19, 1 Cor 6:13, 1 Cor 6:14, 1 Cor 6:17, 1 Cor 7:10, 1 Cor 7:12, 1 Cor 7:17, 1 Cor 7:22, 1 Cor 7:25, 1 Cor 7:32, 1 Cor 7:34, 1 Cor 7:35, 1 Cor 7:39, 1 Cor 9:1, 1 Cor 9:1, 1 Cor 9:2, 1 Cor 9:5, 1 Cor 9:14, 1 Cor 10:21, 1 Cor 10:22, 1 Cor 10:26, 1 Cor 10:28, 1 Cor 11:20, 1 Cor 11:23, 1 Cor 11:26, 1 Cor 11:27, 1 Cor 11:29, 1 Cor 11:32, 1 Cor 14:21, 1 Cor 14:37, 1 Cor 15:58, 1 Cor 16:7, 1 Cor 16:10, 1 Cor 16:19, 2 Cor 2:12, 2 Cor 3:16, 2 Cor 3:17, 2 Cor 3:18, 2 Cor 5:6, 2 Cor 5:8, 2 Cor 5:11, 2 Cor 6:17, 2 Cor 8:5, 2 Cor 8:21, 2 Cor 10:8, 2 Cor 10:17, 2 Cor 10:18, 2 Cor 11:17, 2 Cor 12:1, 2 Cor 12:8, 2 Cor 13:10, Gal 1:19, Gal 5:10, Eph 2:21, Eph 4:1, Eph 4:17, Eph 5:8, Eph 5:10, Eph 5:17, Eph 5:19, Eph 5:22, Eph 5:29, Eph 6:1, Eph 6:4, Eph 6:7, Eph 6:8, Eph 6:10, Eph 6:21, Phil 1:14, Phil 2:24, Phil 2:29, Phil 3:1, Phil 4:1, Phil 4:2, Phil 4:4, Phil 4:5, Phil 4:10, Col 1:10, Col 3:16, Col 3:18, Col 3:20, Col 3:23, Col 3:24, Col 4:7, Col 4:17, 1 Thess 1:6, 1 Thess 1:10, 1 Thess 3:8, 1 Thes 3:12, 1 Thess 4:6, 1 Thess 4;15, 1 Thess 4:16, 1 Thess 4:17, 1 Thess 5:1, 1 Thess 5:2, 1 Thess 5:12: 1 Thess 5:27, 2 Thess 1:9, 2 Thess 2:8, 2 Thess 2:13, 2 Thess 3:1, 2 Thess 3:3, 2 Thess 3:4, 2 Thess 3:5, 2 Thess 3:16, 1 Tim 6:15, 2 Tim 1:8, 2 Tim 1:16, 2 Tim 1:18, 2 Tim 2:7, 2 Tim 2:14, 2 Tim 2:19, 2 Tim 2:22, 2 Tim 2:24, 2 Tim 3:11, 2 Tim 4:6-8, 2 Tim 4:14, 2 Tim 4:17, 2 Tim 4:18, Phile 1:16, Phile 1:20, Heb 1:10, Heb 2:3, Heb 7:21, Heb 8:2, Heb 8:10, Heb 8:11, Heb 10:16, Heb 10:30, Heb 12:6, Heb 12:14, Heb 13:6, Heb 13:20, James 1:7, James 1:12, James 2:1, James 4:10, James 4:15, James 5:7, James 5:8, James 5:10, James 5:11, James 5:14, James 5:15, 1 Pet 1:25, 1 Pet 2:3, 1 Pet 2:13, 1 Pet 3:12, 2 Pet 2:1, 2 Pet 2:9, 2 Pet 2:11, 2 Pet 2:20, 2 Pet 3:2 , 2 Pet 3:8, 2 Pet 3:9, 2 Pet 3:10, 2 Pet 3:15, Jude 1:5, Jude 1:9, Jude 1:14, Rev 1:8, Rev 1:10, Rev 14:13, Rev 17:14

That is over 200 times where Christ is called the Lord, all which prove Christ is God.

Jesus isn't God.

Psalm 110
1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Jesus isn't God.

Psalm 110
1The LORD[YHWH] said to my Lord:[Jesus]
“Sit at My right hand
until I make Your enemies
a footstool for Your feet.”

As Christ said:

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? - Matthew 22:42-44

So Jesus is the Lord, that is God.

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. - 1 Cor 12:3

 

[Runningman]

As Christ said:

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? - Matthew 22:42-44

So Jesus is the Lord, that is God.

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. - 1 Cor 12:3

Therefore Jesus is the son of YHWH, but not YHWH. You've been debunked. Lord is not equal to LORD.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.