Where will you spend eternity?

[Theo1689]

Do you believe the Son is the Father according to Isaiah 9:6?

Isa. 9:6 doesn't say that "the Son is the Father".
It's not referring to God the Father.

"Father" in this context means "Creator":

Isa. 64:8 But now, O LORD, You are our Father,
We are the clay, and You our potter;
And all of us are the work of Your hand.

Mal. 2:10 Have we not all one Father?
Has not one God created us?
Why then are we faithless to one another,
profaning the covenant of our fathers?

 

[Gary Mac]

Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of Scripture:

Matt. 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

My mom had a son and called his name Gary, and I can save you from your sins just as Jesus could if you would follow us to the One who does the saving to become like Him as we did.

 

[Theo1689]

They are both God but they are not the same person.
You need to understand the triune God, aka, the Trinity.

Yes, he attacks the Trinity without understanding it,
just like you attack Calvinism without understanding it.
Ponder THAT.

 

[Gary Mac]

Yes, he attacks the Trinity without understanding it,

Oh I understand the trinity verbatim, I used to preach it for years until God Himself came and manifested Himself in me and gave me His truths just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:126. It was all open to Jesus as well.

just like you attack Calvinism without understanding it.
Ponder THAT.

My daughter went to Catholic schools, so I know quite about calvinism.

Perhaps it is us who doesnt understand?

 

[Runningman]

Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of Scripture:

Matt. 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”



Oh, He does, all right...

Great you’re catching on so let’s look at the basics again for your sake.

God sent Jesus, Jesus is a passive actor through whom God is saving the world.

John 3
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

So who sent Jesus? That’s God and his Father. The only true God.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

That’s a check mate if there ever was one. Of course you hate the truth so let’s watch you reject it some more. Please continue.

 

[Gary Mac]

Great you’re catching on so let’s look at the basics again for your sake.

God sent Jesus, Jesus is a passive actor through whom God is saving the world.

John 3
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

So who sent Jesus? That’s God and his Father. The only true God.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

That’s a check mate if there ever was one. Of course you hate the truth so let’s watch you reject it some more. Please continue.

You, or I, or Jesus, can save anyone who will follow us to the One true God who does the saving and sent His example for who we are to be like him in the same God we call our Father.

 

[Theo1689]

Great you’re catching on

You really need to lose the insulting tone.
Do you actually think that's the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

God sent Jesus,

Correction: The Father sent Jesus.

Jesus is a passive actor through whom God is saving the world.

So you are denying that Jesus is Saviour?
Wow.

John 3
17For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.

So who sent Jesus? That’s God and his Father. The only true God.

Once again, "The Father is the ONLY true God" is NOT the same as your misinterpretaiton of it, namely, "ONLY the Father is the true God".

There is only one God.
The Father is that one God.
The Son (Jesus) is that one God.
The Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3,4) is that one God.

Otherwise you reject Scripture:

John 1:1 ... and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh [...]
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 20:28 [...] to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Rom. 9:5 [...] is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Phil. 2:5 [...] Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, [...]
Col. 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Titus 2:13 [...] the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Heb. 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, [...]
2Pet. 1:1 [...] by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

Correct.
Jesus is not the Father.
But Jesus IS God (see above).

That’s a check mate if there ever was one.

Yes, but you refuse to admit defeat!
Humble yourself and accept correction, man!

Of course you hate the truth so let’s watch you reject it some more. Please continue.

<sigh>
Hardly a Christian attitude.
I love the truth. That is why I believe the Bible, and why I refuse to accept your false and heretical teachings.
I will pray for you.

 

[Gary Mac]

You really need to lose the insulting tone.
Do you actually think that's the fruit of the Holy Spirit?



Correction: The Father sent Jesus.



So you are denying that Jesus is Saviour?
Wow.



Once again, "The Father is the ONLY true God" is NOT the same as your misinterpretaiton of it, namely, "ONLY the Father is the true God".

There is only one God.
The Father is that one God.
The Son (Jesus) is that one God.
The Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3,4) is that one God.

Otherwise you reject Scripture:

John 1:1 ... and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh [...]
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 20:28 [...] to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Rom. 9:5 [...] is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Phil. 2:5 [...] Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, [...]
Col. 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Titus 2:13 [...] the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Heb. 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, [...]
2Pet. 1:1 [...] by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:



Correct.
Jesus is not the Father.
But Jesus IS God (see above).



Yes, but you refuse to admit defeat!
Humble yourself and accept correction, man!



<sigh>
Hardly a Christian attitude.
I love the truth. That is why I believe the Bible, and why I refuse to accept your false and heretical teachings.
I will pray for you.

Who do you think Jesus was referring to here?

John 5:30 KJV: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father who hath sent me.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

 

[Theo1689]

Who do you think Jesus was referring to here?

John 5:30 KJV: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father who hath sent me.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Um, you don't know who Jesus is referring to, even though the answer is in the verses you quoted?

No wonder I've got you on "ignore".
Colossal waste of time.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Who do you think Jesus was referring to here?

John 5:30 KJV: I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father who hath sent me.

John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

Jesus Christ doing the will of the Father.

 

[Gary Mac]

Jesus Christ doing the will of the Father.

But you said Jesus is God did you not. If he was God then he didnt need to consult with another God did he?

 

[Gary Mac]

Um, you don't know who Jesus is referring to, even though the answer is in the verses you quoted?

I know exactly who Jesus was referring to same God is in me who was in Jesus. And all I can do is read what is written that he said of himself and his God he called father. If you do not believe what is written then dont accuse me of ignorance LOL.

No wonder I've got you on "ignore".

The reason you have me on ignore is because the ways of Jesus in his God puts you and your god under conviction is exactly what and When Jesus is quoted for what he said of himself and his God, exposes your ignorance.

Colossal waste of time.

God is never a waste of time for me, but I do understand why His ways and Jesus was in the Father is a waste of time for you for sure just as you stated.

If you even read what Jesus said of himself and his God, and even with one eye and half a brain one can read what he said. All you do is reject him. You are not rejecting me at all, you are rejecting what Jesus said of himself and his God. all that I did was copy and past what he said. That is pretty hard to miss for the ordinary folk. .

 

[SavedByTheLord]

I know exactly who Jesus was referring to same God is in me who was in Jesus. And all I can do is read what is written that he said of himself and his God he called father. If you do not believe what is written then dont accuse me of ignorance LOL.

The reason you have me on ignore is because the ways of Jesus in his God puts you and your god under conviction is exactly what and When Jesus is quoted for what he said of himself and his God, exposes your ignorance.

God is never a waste of time for me, but I do understand why His ways and Jesus was in the Father is a waste of time for you for sure just as you stated.

If you even read what Jesus said of himself and his God, and even with one eye and half a brain one can read what he said. All you do is reject him. You are not rejecting me at all, you are rejecting what Jesus said of himself and his God. all that I did was copy and past what he said. That is pretty hard to miss for the ordinary folk. .

You need to open your eyes and repent.

In Matt 4:10, Jesus says, “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”

Therefore, when Christ is worshipped, it proves the He is God. There are 13 times in the 4 gospel accounts where Christ is worshipped.

And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. - John 9:38

And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: - Luke 24:52

Then came to him the mother of Zebedees children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him. - Matt 20:20

See also: Matt 2:2, Matt 2:11, Matt 8:2, Matt 9:18, Matt 14:33, Matt 15:25, Matt 28:9, Matt 28:17, Mark 5:6, Luke 24:52.

 

[Runningman]

I know exactly who Jesus was referring to same God is in me who was in Jesus. And all I can do is read what is written that he said of himself and his God he called father. If you do not believe what is written then dont accuse me of ignorance LOL.

The reason you have me on ignore is because the ways of Jesus in his God puts you and your god under conviction is exactly what and When Jesus is quoted for what he said of himself and his God, exposes your ignorance.

God is never a waste of time for me, but I do understand why His ways and Jesus was in the Father is a waste of time for you for sure just as you stated.

If you even read what Jesus said of himself and his God, and even with one eye and half a brain one can read what he said. All you do is reject him. You are not rejecting me at all, you are rejecting what Jesus said of himself and his God. all that I did was copy and past what he said. That is pretty hard to miss for the ordinary folk. .

God had to teach Jesus what to say.

John 8
28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

God had to teach Jesus what to say.

John 8
28So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing on My own, but speak exactly what the Father has taught Me.

In the following verse Jesus declares Himself as “I am”.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. - John 8:58

God used the same phrase about himself in the Old Testament. That phrase means always existed, always will exist. That means Christ is God.

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. - Exo 3:14

In the following verse, Thomas calls Jesus Christ, “God”. Christ did not correct him.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. - John 20:28

By the law of non contradiction, Jesus Christ is God,
These are just 2 of very many passages that prove this.

 

[Runningman]

In the following verse Jesus declares Himself as “I am”.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. - John 8:58

God used the same phrase about himself in the Old Testament. That phrase means always existed, always will exist. That means Christ is God.

And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you. - Exo 3:14

In the following verse, Thomas calls Jesus Christ, “God”. Christ did not correct him.

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. - John 20:28

By the law of non contradiction, Jesus Christ is God,
These are just 2 of very many passages that prove this.

God proved He isn’t Jesus in Exodus 3 where He is known as YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This name is how He is to be remembered forever. Jesus will never be remembered that way because he isn’t God. This also means your verse about Jesus being the “I am” is debunked. It’s not a good translation. It means “I am the man” in John 8:58. See John 9:9 for comparison.

Exodus 3
14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

God proved He isn’t Jesus in Exodus 3 where He is known as YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. This name is how He is to be remembered forever. Jesus will never be remembered that way because he isn’t God. This also means your verse about Jesus being the “I am” is debunked. It’s not a good translation. It means “I am the man” in John 8:58. See John 9:9 for comparison.

Exodus 3
14God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”

15God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.

You just added words to John 8:58. The Bible cautions against that.

Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. - Prov 30:6

 

[Runningman]

You just added words to John 8:58. The Bible cautions against that.

Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. - Prov 30:6

“Ego eimi” in John 8:58 is translated as “I am the man” in John 9:9. No addition to scripture.

You accusations fall flat. Perhaps you should quit being so divisive.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

“Ego eimi” in John 8:58 is translated as “I am the man” in John 9:9. No addition to scripture.

You accusations fall flat. Perhaps you should quit being so divisive.

I have a KJB right here and that is not in my Bible.

 

[Runningman]

I have a KJB right here and that is not in my Bible.

The KJB for John 9:9 says “I am he” in accordance with a man talking. Some versions, like the NIV for example, rightly translate it as “ I am the man” because the context is about an adult male.

Likewise, the context about Jesus in John 8:58 is about him being an adult male, a man. John 8:40 says Jesus is a man. Therefore it follows that John 8:58 is about Jesus a man. Jesus is the man (prophesied about) before Abraham was born.