Runningman
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You're a false prophet with a false gospel. I'll oppose you and your lot at every turn on this forum if I notice it.
Where will you spend eternity?
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SavedByTheLord
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Read your post to yourself and read my thread "Where will you spend eternity?"
Runningman
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I read it up until the point I quoted above. September 11 was the beginning of my eternal rebuke of your false gospel. I didn't notice any other obvious problems until you began promoting idolatry. You're going to get people problems with God with your theology.
Where do you think you will spend eternity after you have been thoroughly shown Jesus the man is not God?
Revelation 21
8But to the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their place will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death.”
SavedByTheLord
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The lake is where you will go.
Runningman
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You have misunderstood Jesus to be God and it's a grievous sin because it's idolatry. You were given every chance to correct your error but your heart is too hard and you're too indoctrinated.
God, Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, nor anyone else ever said "You will not be saved unless unless you believe Jesus is God." You have a tradition and a man-made doctrine that you have decorated with Bible verses. None of the verses say what your doctrine does.
I am not sure you're saved. Do you at least believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead?
Romans 10
9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
SavedByTheLord
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Jesus Christ is God, the Creator, the Almighty, the Word, the Lord, the Son of God, the Saviour, the only way, never sinned, etc
The gospel of John declares that Jesus Christ is God in its first verse. Referring to Christ, John wrote:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1
The Bible is quite clear that God created all things. This is clearly shown in Genesis 1 and other parts of the Old Testament (Exo 20:11, Exo 31:17, et al).
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. - Gen 1:1
But the New Testament declares that Jesus Christ created all things. So, the following verses prove that Jesus Christ is God Almighty.
All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. - John 1:3
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. - John 1:10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: - Col 1:16
Theo1689
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So you have perfect understanding and are infallible, incapable of error?
Fascinating.
No, it's not.
It's only to puff up your own ego.
Runningman
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Jesus was created:
Colossians 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Revelation 3
14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Therefore it doesn't follow he created the universe, Rather YHWH created everything:
Genesis 2
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Acts 4
24And when they heard that, they lifted up their voice to God with one accord, and said, Lord, thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:
YHWH is the I AM, God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and Jesus His Son and servant:
Exodus 3
14And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Acts 3
13The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
There is only one true God, the Father, YHWH, therefore Jesus isn't God:
John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
1 Corinthians 8
6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Do you want to die in your sins?
John 8
24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Runningman
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Yes I perfectly understand that Jesus is not God.
I don't have an ego about this. I am just God's servant getting His word to the masses. If the Bible wanted me to believe Jesus is God then it needs to just say that and I would drop everything I am doing it preach it zealously. It doesn't say that. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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But then, in the crazy world of Trinitarianism, logic doesn't count for anything.
Difficult to see how Jesus can be God, if at the same time he's God's image.
But then, in the crazy world of Trinitarianism, logic doesn't count for anything.
Yes Christ is Gods anointing, Gods Mind in man. Jesus defiantly was anointed of God and I can identify with him in the same Father.
Yes you should be anointed pot God just as Jesus was which would be Christ in you that you call His ways rubbish.
Actually Jesus had it right, Paul had it wrong. Here is what Jesus said about that.
John 12:49 : For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
Yes' Gods anointing in man, Adam received His anointing, Christ, in Gen 3:22 when he to became like GHod to know this difference, Abraham received the same anointing from God Himself, Moses received the same Spirit to be Gods anointed one, Jesus received His anointing in Matt 3:16, 120 received Gods anointing ion an upper room, and so did I. Which is Christ in us all. We defiantly are Gods anointed by the same Spirit be in us who was in Jesus.
You are just without His anointing is why Christ is not in you and He was in Jesus.
Read Matt 3:16, this is when GHod came to that man and opened up who He is and all of His heaven in that man, just as He did in all of these before and after Jesus who has received His same Spirit of mind.
Jesus referred to his new understanding as born again. Something that you might consider in yourself, but you won't will you?
Is only error the same way those of Jesus said said he was in error and blasphemer for the very same reason as you charge us.
Amen there is noting logical about receiving from God His same mind, Spirit, it is a supernatural gift that God gives us all who will recieve Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. He opens up who He is and all of His heaven in us just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16, In Adam in Gen 3:22, even he became like God to know this difference, Abraham, Moses, 120 in an upper room, and all today who will recieve from God the same as all of these did by the same Spirit be in us.
Cant know God nor His heaven without that, not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16 that these do not believe of God at all.
CharismaticLady
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Of course those things are sin, because sin is lawlessness. However, you are right that a born again of the Spirit Christian has no desire to do any of those things.
Sin is separation from God to be like Him and in His same image, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. If one is not perfect as He and walk as He walks in His same light that is Love that He is, then one is separated from Him and in sin.
Theo1689
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Then you don't understand Scripture.
Because not only is Scriputre exhaustively clear that Jesus IS deity.
If I were to continue posting to you, harassing you, and telliing you that 2 + 2 isn't 4, like you mistakenly believe, but that 2 + 2 is actually 37, would you accept my claim? Of course not.
And that's why we refuse to accept your denial of the deity of Christ.
Does anyone believe that?
I certainly don't.
That's simply and demonstrably false:
Isa. 9:6 For to us a child is born, [...] and his name shall be called [...] Mighty God,
John 1:1 ... and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh [...]
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 20:28 [...] to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Rom. 9:5 [...] is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Eph. 5:5 ... has no inheritance in the kingdom of the Christ and God.
Phil. 2:5 [...] Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, [...]
Col. 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Titus 2:13 [...] the appearing of the glory of our great God and SaviorJesus Christ,
Heb. 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, [...]
2Pet. 1:1 [...] by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
But you don't care what Scripture says. You just want to tear these passages apart, and try to claim they don't teach what they clearly say, just like the Mormons deny all the "only one God" passages.
John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
Theo1689
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There is nothing there that says, "Jesus isn't deity", so I will continue to believe Scripture which teaches that Jesus is deity.
Thank you for your concern.
There is nothing there that says, "Jesus isn't deity", so I will continue to believe Scripture which teaches that Jesus is deity.
Thank you for your concern.
There is nothing there that says, "Jesus isn't deity", so I will continue to believe Scripture which teaches that Jesus is deity.
Thank you for your concern.
There is nothing there that says, "Jesus isn't deity", so I will continue to believe Scripture which teaches that Jesus is deity.
Thank you for your concern.
I didnt say there is, in fact Jesus walked in the same deity of the Father that we all walk in who has received the same deity of mind from Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. You just dont have a lea what His deity is from lack of the same in yourself from God Himself as Jesus received in. Matt 3:16.
Cool then you will believe this what Jesus said of himself and his God he called Father as you say you believe scripture.
John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”
Cool then you believe that Jesus didnt even know God nor His heaven until God came to him and opened up who He is and all of His heaven in that man in Matt 3:16.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Good' Then you will believe this what Jesus said of himself and his God he called Father.
But actually I dont think you will believe him at all.
John 12:49 KJV: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”