You do have a denomination who believes God is a man and not a Spirit.
Where will you spend eternity?
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SavedByTheLord
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I believe what the Bible clearly says that Christ is God. Remember the score was 38-0.
In Micah 5:2, Jesus Christ is said to be “from everlasting”, meaning He has always existed. This is another proof that Christ is God.
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Yeas, I used to be Church of Christy, they dont believe anything concerning Gods ways, then I was baptists who were so caught up in their by laws Christ goes by the wayside, then I was Penticostal who if you didnt speak in tongues you aint saved, then I was nondenominational who's god is money.
Thank God just as with Jesus who was of the Jewish denomination god saved by God and left the laws and bylaws of this denomination that he once taught in as rabbi, and when. God did save him from these the very ones he once taught in are the very ones who had him crucified for blaspheme. How ironic that is. Went from loving the man who taught their religion in the temple to hating the man who was saved by God.
I know Jesus was not God, the same God who was in that man is in me.
Im ignorant for what Jehovahs witness believe but everyone who has from God Himself and walk as He walks in His same mind as Jesus did seems to be a cult here.
If you guys would take that man off that cross and make him alive and put the God who was in that man in your own heart, and pick up that cross and continue where he left off, then you just might see the mighty works of God through you just as He worked through Jesus no different at all. You would have the mind of Christ, anointed of God Himself and walk in it as He walks in it. But that isn't going to happen is it?
Nah, if you believed what it says you would be exactly as Jesus was in the Father of it.
SavedByTheLord
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Your answer is just nonsense and you are just ignoring the truth again.
In Heb 7:3, the phrase “having neither beginning of days” is attributed to Christ. Thus, Christ has no beginning and is thus God.
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Runningman
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Yeah it's a travesty what denominations have done. They tend to get people when they're ignorant, get them indoctrinated, turn them into zealots as blind as a bat, and turn them lose. They're basically making it more difficult for the true church, but that's how it was prophesied from the beginning. The true church are the wheat in a field of tares.
SavedByTheLord
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That is why I do not belong to a denomination.
For example, Jehovah Witness are a denomination started by a false prophet.
They too deny the deity of Christ. They are under the Cults section on CARM
And it is easier for a camel go through the eye of the needle than these who are rich of their laws that govern their gods for a belief instead enter the kingdom of God through His where one has to unload a load of -- well you know.
BTW do you know what the eye of the needle is?
The eye of the needle was a narrow gateway into Jerusalem. Since camels were heavily loaded with goods and riders, they would need to be un-loaded in order to pass through. Therefore, the analogy is that a rich man would have to similarly unload his material possessions in order to enter heaven.
In spiritual terms -- get rid of all that religious baggage for law these carry around and repent from self, purge self of these riches they harbor that is actually laws to govern their beliefs for a god, or else they are not going to enter through Gods gate at all.
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Then why do you go the ways of these?
As yourself?
It is you who is denying the deity of Gods Spirit be in you. You do not believe Jesus at all.
Here is proof --John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
John 5:30. I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. 31If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. 32There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
OK. I quoted what Jesus said he was in his God, now lets see you dance around what he said of himself and his God. LOL
Now you know why it doesnt do any good for me to quote scripture for you.
Runningman
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Well, the Roman Catholic Church does claim that Jesus is God, but despite all of their numerous heresies, they are not generally considered a cult even though they are. It's that same deal with the JWs, they have some things correct after all.
You can find bits of truth in almost all of the denominations, sub-denominations, sects, and cults.
That is true. Even in the Bible when people gave testimonies of themselves and their beliefs for God, some things dont line up with that what Jesus said of himself in the God he prayed to and worshiped and said sent him and could do noting without his God who did send him.
Im like Jesus in this respect, he trusted no man in what they said, he got his information straight from God just as all do who has the same God residing as Jesus did. Our God is quite sufficient to convey His will for us. God didnt need Jesus The MAN to teach Him anything. He sent that man as example for what it is to be of Him ourselves.
SavedByTheLord
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Sorry Gary but Jesus Christ is God Almighty the Word mad flesh.
In John 3:13, Christ, while on earth says, “the Son of man which is in heaven”. Only God can be in 2 places at once. So, Christ is God.
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In that you will never know the God of heaven who came to Jesus and manifested Himself in Jesus and opens up to Jesus who He is and all of His heaven in that man. He would do the same in you but He cant can He? You serve a god of flesh instead to the God who is a Spirit and never changes.
Umm... Actually Jesus was correct in that the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is within you, or is supposed to be within you. Luke 127:20-21.
Where did Jesus say Gods heaven is, His kingdom, the place God resides and controls? Read it, but then you would have to believe Jesu in his ways instead of dictating to him your own ways.
BTW, Christ never has left, Man has always been anointed of God starting in Adam who has received from God His same knowledge of mind, Spirit. Gen 3:22. Jesus became Gods anointed in Matt 3:16 just as Adam received Gods same knowledge who only He can open His will in man by the Spirit He is.
Theo1689
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That's referring to the Father, not to the Son.
The Son took on a body of flesh. The Father didn't.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
It's too bad you don't believe Scripture.
Phil. 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
It's too bad you don't believe Scripture.
Correct.
That doesn't mean that He's not God.
You would need to provide a verse that says, "Jesus is not God".
God the Father is not a son of man.
But God the Son is a son of man.
Jesus is called "Son of man" (Matt. 8:20, 9:8, etc.) proving He is a man.
And He is called "Son of God" (Mark 1:1, John 1:34, etc.) proving that He is God.
Correct. That doesn't mean that He's not God.
Correct.
And Jesus is God (John 1:1) who became flesh (John 1:14).
So that doesn't prove that He's not God.
No, Jesus did NOT "deny being God".
He did not say, "I am not God".
So you're rejecting Scripture, by claiming the sinless Jesus is not "good"?
Jesus was here using the Socratic method to get the man to figure out that Jesus IS God.
1) Jesus is good.
2) Only God is good.
3) Therefore Jesus is God.
4) Q.E.D.
That doesn't mean that He's not God.
No, the FATHER is greater than Jesus.
That doesn't mean that Jesus is not God.
You need to stop conflating the Father ("who") with "God" ("what").
Jesus is not the Father.
But Jesus is God/deity.
That doesn't mean that Jesus isn't God.
Yes, of course He did. Do you think Jesus was going to be an atheist?
Jesus worshipped the Father.
That doesn't mean that He isn't God/deity.
Jesus prayed to the Father.
That doesn't mean that He's not God/deity.
None of those verses teach that "the disciplies did not believe Jesus is God".
Let's see...
The Jews believed Jesus was claiming to be God (John 8:558-59).
Thomas believed Jesus was God (John 20:28).
John believed Jesus was God (John 20:28).
Luke believed Jesus was God (Acts 20:28).
Peter believed Jesus was God (2 Pet. 1:1).
Paul believed Jesus was God (Phil. 2:5-6, Tit. 2:13).
The author of Hebrews believed Jesus was God (Heb. 1:8).
Correct. And that doesn't mean that Jesus isn't God.
Correct.
He's also God.
In the sense that He's not a renegade deity.
He is united with the Father.
That doesn't mean that He's not God.
No, the FATHER gave Jesus the power to forgive sins.
That doesn't mean that Jesus isn't God/deity.
I'm sorry that you reject the Bible:
John 1:1 ... and the Word was God. [...] 14 And the Word became flesh [...]
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 20:28 [...] to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Rom. 9:5 [...] is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Phil. 2:5 [...] Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, [...]
Col. 2:9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Titus 2:13 [...] the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Heb. 1:8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, [...]
2Pet. 1:1 [...] by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
I'm sorry that you refuse to believe Scripture.
And what's worse, you are trying to pit Scripture against Scripture, by trying to find passages that deny the deity of Jesus (when in fact they don't), and try to use worthless rationalization (eg. "if he's man he can't be God) in order to reject other Scripture.
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Theo1689
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And Paul repeatedly taught that Jesus is God:
Rom. 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Phil. 2:5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Col. 2:9 For in [Christ] the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
Titus 2:13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
It's sad that you reject the writings of Paul whenever they don't suit your false teachings.
Theo1689
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So how do you determine what is a "correct translation" or a "wrong translation"?
Can you even read Koine Greek?
I absolutely love it when people who are completely ignorant of the language (botho you and @SavedByTheLord presume to call renderings "wrong" or "right", when they have no clue.
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. (NIV)
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. (ESV)
The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent,[fn] came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen. (CSB)
whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. (LSB)
To them belong the patriarchs, and from them, by human descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever! Amen. (NET)
of whom are the fathers, and from whom is Messiah as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God, blessed forever. Amen. (HNV)
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. (NLT)
Whose are the fathers, and of whom came Christ in the flesh, who is over all, God, to whom be blessing for ever. So be it. (BBE)
Most of these translations are done by a committee of Greek scholars.
So they are all wrong, and you (who is ignorant of Koine Greek) is correct?
I don't think so.
Runningman
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Sorry you don't believe or understand scripture. Since you insist Jesus is God, even though he isn't, perhaps you can explain why you believe God became sin and died.
2 Corinthians 5
21God made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.
Runningman
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They didn't have English punctuation in Koine Greek so the way the RSV translates Romans 9:5 is valid and it's also informed by the local and remote context that proves Jesus isn't God.
This passage with your preferred translation essentially says your god is flesh and flood. Is Jesus a flesh and blood man in heaven right now? Maybe that's your first clue the RSV version is correct.
My God is an invisible Spirit dwelling in unapproachable light. The son sits at the right hand of God.