Which is correct ? The Book of Moses or the Book of Abraham

The Prophet

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Moses 1:6
6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.

 

The Prophet

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Moses 1:6
6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.

 

Authentic Nouveau

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Smith Genesis 1 "inspired" rendition


Chapter 1> (top)

History of creation

Gen 1:1 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven and this earth; write the words which I speak.

Gen 1:2 I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God. By mine Only Begotten I created these things.

Gen 1:3 Yea, in the beginning I created the heaven and the earth upon which thou standest.

Gen 1:4 And the earth was without form and void; and I caused darkness to come up upon the face of the deep.

Gen 1:5 And my Spirit moved upon the face of the waters, for I am God.

Gen 1:6 And I, God, said, Let there be light; and there was light.

Gen 1:7 And I, God, saw the light, and that light was good. And I, God, divided the light from the darkness.

Gen 1:8 And I, God, called the light day, and the darkness I called night. And this I did by the word of my power; and it was done as I spake. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:9 And again, I, God, said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters; and it was so, even as I spake. And I said, Let it divide the waters from the waters; and it was done.

Gen 1:10 And I, God, made the firmament and divided the waters, yea, the great waters under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so, even as I spake.

Gen 1:11 And I, God, called the firmament heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 1:12 And I, God, said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place; and it was so. And I, God, said, Let there be dry land; and it was so.

Gen 1:13 And I, God, called the dry land earth; and the gathering together of the waters called I the sea.

Gen 1:14 And I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good.

Gen 1:15 And I, God, said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed should be in itself upon the earth; and it was so, even as I spake.

Gen 1:16 And the earth brought forth grass, every herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed should be in itself after his kind.

Gen 1:17 And I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Gen 1:18 And I, God, said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and for years, and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth; and it was so.

Gen 1:19 And I, God, made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night; and the greater light was the sun, and the lesser light was the moon.

Gen 1:20 And the stars also were made, even according to my word; and I, God, set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth--and the sun to rule over the day, and the moon to rule over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness.

Gen 1:21 And I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Gen 1:22 And I, God, said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly, the moving creature that hath life, and fowl which may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Gen 1:23 And I, God, created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind.

Gen 1:24 And I, God, saw that all things which I had created were good; and I, God, blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the sea, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Gen 1:25 And I, God, said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind: cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind; and it was so.

Gen 1:26 And I, God, made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and cattle after their kind, and everything which creepeth upon the earth after his kind. And I, God, saw that all these things were good.

Gen 1:27 And I, God, said unto mine Only Begotten, which was with me from the beginning, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and it was so.

Gen 1:28 And I, God, said, Let them have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:29 And I, God, created man in mine own image, in the image of mine Only Begotten created I him; male and female created I them.

Gen 1:30 And I, God, blessed them and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 1:31 And I, God, said unto man, Behold, I have given you every herb, bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in the which shall be the fruit of a tree, yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Gen 1:32 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein I grant life, there shall be given every clean herb for meat; and it was so, even as I spake.

Gen 1:33 And I, God, saw everything that I had made; and behold, all things which I had made were very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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Bonnie

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Smith Genesis 1 "inspired" rendition


Chapter 1> (top)

History of creation

Gen 1:1 And it came to pass that the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Behold, I reveal unto you concerning this heaven and this earth; write the words which I speak.

Gen 1:2 I am the Beginning and the End, the Almighty God. By mine Only Begotten I created these things.

Gen 1:3 Yea, in the beginning I created the heaven and the earth upon which thou standest.

Gen 1:4 And the earth was without form and void; and I caused darkness to come up upon the face of the deep.

Gen 1:5 And my Spirit moved upon the face of the waters, for I am God.

Gen 1:6 And I, God, said, Let there be light; and there was light.

Gen 1:7 And I, God, saw the light, and that light was good. And I, God, divided the light from the darkness.

Gen 1:8 And I, God, called the light day, and the darkness I called night. And this I did by the word of my power; and it was done as I spake. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Gen 1:9 And again, I, God, said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters; and it was so, even as I spake. And I said, Let it divide the waters from the waters; and it was done.

Gen 1:10 And I, God, made the firmament and divided the waters, yea, the great waters under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so, even as I spake.

Gen 1:11 And I, God, called the firmament heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Gen 1:12 And I, God, said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place; and it was so. And I, God, said, Let there be dry land; and it was so.

Gen 1:13 And I, God, called the dry land earth; and the gathering together of the waters called I the sea.

Gen 1:14 And I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good.

Gen 1:15 And I, God, said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed should be in itself upon the earth; and it was so, even as I spake.

Gen 1:16 And the earth brought forth grass, every herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed should be in itself after his kind.

Gen 1:17 And I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.

Gen 1:18 And I, God, said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and for years, and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth; and it was so.

Gen 1:19 And I, God, made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night; and the greater light was the sun, and the lesser light was the moon.

Gen 1:20 And the stars also were made, even according to my word; and I, God, set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth--and the sun to rule over the day, and the moon to rule over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness.

Gen 1:21 And I, God, saw that all things which I had made were good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Gen 1:22 And I, God, said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly, the moving creature that hath life, and fowl which may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Gen 1:23 And I, God, created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind.

Gen 1:24 And I, God, saw that all things which I had created were good; and I, God, blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the sea, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Gen 1:25 And I, God, said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind: cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth after their kind; and it was so.

Gen 1:26 And I, God, made the beasts of the earth after their kind, and cattle after their kind, and everything which creepeth upon the earth after his kind. And I, God, saw that all these things were good.

Gen 1:27 And I, God, said unto mine Only Begotten, which was with me from the beginning, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and it was so.

Gen 1:28 And I, God, said, Let them have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:29 And I, God, created man in mine own image, in the image of mine Only Begotten created I him; male and female created I them.

Gen 1:30 And I, God, blessed them and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen 1:31 And I, God, said unto man, Behold, I have given you every herb, bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in the which shall be the fruit of a tree, yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Gen 1:32 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein I grant life, there shall be given every clean herb for meat; and it was so, even as I spake.

Gen 1:33 And I, God, saw everything that I had made; and behold, all things which I had made were very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Joe made changes
Yep--not to mention, arrogantly and deceitfully, putting a prophesy about himself in Deuteronomy, I think it is. The man had NO shame!
 

Aaron32

Active member
Moses 1:6
6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.

False Dilemma -
Jehovah, who is Jesus, is “God” to Moses, who is also the Son of God the Father.
Hebrews 1:1-2 “2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

Thus, “Gods” can literally be plural in the books of Genesis and Abraham, and singular in the book of Moses.

1 Thes 5:23/Hebrewis non-sequitur. It shows how a single verse can support your theory, but does not authoritatively PROVE what the Bible means.

According to your own theory, and believing Jesus is Fully Man and Fully God:
Jesus (The man) himself has a spirit soul and body
Jesus (being a part of the Trinity) is the body.
So thereby Jesus would have a distinct spirit from the Spirit of God the Father. Which would make you polytheist, or else Jesus is not actually fully God.
 

The Prophet

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False Dilemma -
Jehovah, who is Jesus, is “God” to Moses, who is also the Son of God the Father.
Hebrews 1:1-2 “2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;”

Thus, “Gods” can literally be plural in the books of Genesis and Abraham, and singular in the book of Moses.

1 Thes 5:23/Hebrewis non-sequitur. It shows how a single verse can support your theory, but does not authoritatively PROVE what the Bible means.

According to your own theory, and believing Jesus is Fully Man and Fully God:
Jesus (The man) himself has a spirit soul and body
Jesus (being a part of the Trinity) is the body.
So thereby Jesus would have a distinct spirit from the Spirit of God the Father. Which would make you polytheist, or else Jesus is not actually fully God.
Anything written by pre-1836 Joseph Smith proves you wrong :)

2 Nephi 31:

21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.



Alma 11:

44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.





Mormon 7:

7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.



The Testimony of Three Witnesses

And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

Oliver Cowdery

David Whitmer

Martin Harris



1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.



Doctrine and Covenants 20 :

28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.



1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. Joseph Smith translation



Moses 1:6

6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.



COUNSEL GIVEN BY PRESIDENT CHARLES W. PENROSE

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn ail about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.

(General Conference Report, April 1922, pp. 27-28.)
 

Aaron32

Active member
Anything written by pre-1836 Joseph Smith proves you wrong :)

2 Nephi 31:

21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.



Alma 11:

44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.





Mormon 7:

7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.



The Testimony of Three Witnesses

And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

Oliver Cowdery

David Whitmer

Martin Harris



1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.



Doctrine and Covenants 20 :

28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.



1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one. Joseph Smith translation



Moses 1:6

6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.



COUNSEL GIVEN BY PRESIDENT CHARLES W. PENROSE

Now, some of our brethren have taken up quite a discussion as to the fulness of the everlasting gospel. We are told that the Book of Mormon contains the fulness of the gospel, that those who like to get up a dispute, say that the Book of Mormon does not contain any reference to the work of salvation for the dead and that there are many other things pertaining to the gospel that are not developed in that book, and yet we are told that the book contains "the fulness of the everlasting gospel." Well, what is the fulness of the gospel? You read carefully the revelation in regard to the three glories, Section 76, in the Doctrine and Covenants, and you find there defined what the gospel is. There God, the Eternal Father, and Jesus Christ, his Son, and the Holy Ghost, are held up as the three Persons in the Trinity—the one God, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, all three being one God. When people believe in that doctrine and obey the ordinances which are spoken of in the same list of principles, you get the fulness of the gospel for this reason: If you really believe so as to have faith in our Eternal Father and in his Son, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer, and will hear him, you will learn ail about what is needed to be done for the salvation of the living and redemption of the dead.

(General Conference Report, April 1922, pp. 27-28.)
Still the same church still the same religion from the same person. You’ve proven nothing.
 
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