PeanutGallery
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To which of the two 'sinless mediators and advocates' do you pray most often?
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romishpopishorganist
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Here we go again with the Protestant false dichotomies. I have to hand it to you people: you never met a false dichotomy you didn't like.
The mediation of Christ exists for the purposes of interceding before the throne of the Father. The mediation of Christ, therefore is unique--just like his divinity. The relationship Christ has with the Father is likewise unique.
However, Christ shares the life He has with us by Grace since we are not divine by nature. In other words---Christ shares His uniqueness with us---according to Grace. By Grace we can approach the throne of the Father in and through Christ because we share in His life in the order of Grace. In this way, Christ is able to share His life with us without sacrificing His divinity or His uniqueness.
The mediation of Mary is an extension of the mediation all Christians have before the throne of Christ. Conversely, the mediation all Christians have is an extension of Mary's mediation. Mary, and thus all Christians point the way to Christ. Mary, and by extension all Christians boldly approach the throne of Christ for their needs and the needs of others.
In other words: Mary's mediation is NOT unique--as ALL Christians possess the same mediation. Mary just possesses the power to mediate in a more perfect way than all Christians given her unique role in salvation history, and Mary reveals what it means to mediate most perfectly before the throne of Christ.
Thus, Mary's mediation is not opposed to Christ, nor in opposition to Christ.
PeanutGallery
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That is not what I asked:
To which of the two 'sinless mediators and advocates' do you pray most often?
Once again insulting others. Love our RCs do polite apologetics.
Oh be honest we were taught to pray to Mary because her son has to obey His mother.
dingoling.
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When we pray the rosary I believe we say 53 hail Mary's and 6 our fathers.
PeanutGallery
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And none to the other 'sinless mediator and advocate'?
Yep showing which one is more important to RCs.
Atemi
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Mary does not mediate for us.
Christians do not mediate for anyone.
Mary does not mediate for us.
Christians do not mediate for anyone.
That is NOT mediation.
Mary does not mediate for us.
Christians do not mediate for anyone.
Mary does not mediate for us.
Christians do not mediate for anyone.
Catholics always hope they can sell that lie if they say it a lot.
Atemi
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As a Catholic, I was taught by the Catholic Church that Mary was definitely SAFER to pray to than praying to Jesus. She is supposedly lily white and sweet and can protect us from the angry Jesus.
romishpopishorganist
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Really? Well, given this, Mary's mediation at the Wedding Feast of Cana sort of makes no sense.
Also, what do you call prayer if not a form of mediation?
PeanutGallery
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OK, that's one of the 'sinless mediator and advocate'; how often do you pray to the other 'sinless mediator and advocate'?
romishpopishorganist
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Every night before I go to bed, and every day when I go to Mass. (Jesus.)
Atemi
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Yes.
Mary did not mediate at the wedding.
Prayer....intercession...thanksgiving...praise....etc...
But what it is never is mediation.
PeanutGallery
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That works out to twice a day; how often do you pray to Mary per day?
Nondenom40
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Jesus is the one mediator. Nowhere in the n.t. economy is anyone called a mediator but Jesus. Kinda the reason Paul calls Him the 'one' mediator. Not one + a billion little mediators. And mediator isn't a synonym for prayer. And lastly, Mary did no such thing at cana. The wine was gone, she sought the help of her Son, period. She didn't intercede. She didn't mediate. She didn't pray.
PeanutGallery
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That is exactly what God says in his inspired word:
1Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Atemi
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The favorite Catholic way to get around this is to then deny the divinity of Christ and say that Mary is a mediator between Christ and men.
And yes, denying Christ's divinity is a favorite of Roman Catholics to argue their Mary mythology....so this says a lot.
Considering the RCC's outright rebellion against God and His Word, it's no wonder they see Him as eternally angry.
Atemi
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This may indeed be their motivation for their strange slander of our Lord. They may subconsciously know they stand against Him and are still subject to His judgment. Thus their Mary Mommy myth to save them from God...
RayneBeau
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Praise is so much a part of God's pattern for His people that He left us with a hymnbook filled with it. The psalms are great hymns that the people of Israel sung and spoke. God wanted them - and us - to continually offer Him the praise of which He is so worthy of.
Praising the Lord morning and night sets the tone for our lives.