Who Believes You Can Receive the Holy Spirit Again?

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Bob Carabbio

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And Jesus had not ascended yet to the Father to prepare the way for us to become citizens of Heaven.
Wrong again - Jesus wouldn't let Mary touch Him "because he had not ascended to the father yet" - but that evening He permitted Himself to be handled. So OBVIOUSLY He'd ascended, and returned.
 

Hark

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Wrong again - Jesus wouldn't let Mary touch Him "because he had not ascended to the father yet" - but that evening He permitted Himself to be handled. So OBVIOUSLY He'd ascended, and returned.
The problem here is that He had said the promise would not come until He was no longer present with them and it is in that regard when I say about when He had ascended to the Father in Heaven to prepare the way for us per John 14:1-3.

I do not deny that He had ascended and came back, but He said the promise at our salvation comes when He has ascended and no longer present with them for when that born again of the Spirit will come, that promise to come from the Father. Capisce?
 

Bob Carabbio

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The problem here is that He had said the promise would not come until He was no longer present with them and it is in that regard when I say about when He had ascended to the Father in Heaven to prepare the way for us per John 14:1-3.

I do not deny that He had ascended and came back, but He said the promise at our salvation comes when He has ascended and no longer present with them for when that born again of the Spirit will come, that promise to come from the Father. Capisce?
Of course, and the Holy SPirit DIDN'T come upon them until after Jesus' ascention. But He had INDWELLED THEM since the evening of the Resurrection. You seem to have a major PROBLEM with "IN", and "UPON" as cessationists normally do theologically.
 

Hark

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Of course, and the Holy SPirit DIDN'T come upon them until after Jesus' ascention. But He had INDWELLED THEM since the evening of the Resurrection. You seem to have a major PROBLEM with "IN", and "UPON" as cessationists normally do theologically.
Theologically, you are still having trouble when it comes to the believers at and after Pentecost when they get saved by faith in Jesus Christ as if each believer must undergo both phenomenon when they are but one hope of our calling, one baptism of the Holy Ghost, & thus one gospel.

Ever? heard of slain in the spirt and holy laughter movement or Toronto's Blessings or Pensacola Outpouring or even Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade? In all of these, a believer can have what they believe was the Holy Spirit fall on them to cause them to fall back in loss of self control.

That even happens sometimes when they seek another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues.

So how do you reprove saved believers in those apostate movements when they testify praying to the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them again and again and again if you give an inch that the Holy Spirit can be received a second time apart from salvation moment?

No good tree will produce an evil fruit and no evil tree will produce a good fruit; therefore all invitations to receive the Holy Spirit apart from salvation is not of Him at all. That is why that tongue assumed for private use gained by that other calling for believers to seek after is gibberish nonsense as found in the world of its supernatural tongue. God is not the author of confusion, but somehow you believe tongues for private use with all those benefits is hardly an example of confusion when it is because you cannot know which benefit you are receiving by that tongue.

Are we not to prove all things and abstain from all appearances of evil? Then no way would God allow His real gift of tongues to mimic the world's supernatural tongue that has existed before Pentecost came with God's gift of tongues to speak unto the people in their native language but foreign to the tongue speaker at Pentecost.

There is no way former sinners can know they have departed from those spirits if God's tongues is the same as it once was as theirs.

There is no way any assembly can know that former sinners have departed from their former practice & tongues if God's gift of tongues sounds like the same gibberish nonsense and not being a foreign language of men at all if they really believe it is for private use.

You have been misled to believe the way you do about His disciples only because of an extra phenomenon apart from salvation had occurred but you ignore the apostle John's warning in testing the spirits & the tongues they bring in 1 John 4:1-6 because you want to believe that second phenomenon was of God, but if you do that, then there is no line of discernment when others receive what they believe is the Holy Spirit multiple times after the second time in getting tongues for private use. That, brother, is the slippery slope for why the second filling is not of Him at all.
 

Bob Carabbio

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Theologically, you are still having trouble when it comes to the believers at and after Pentecost when they get saved by faith
The standard cessationist line.
the second filling is not of Him at all.
PSST!!! there is no "Second filling", and in the OLD testament, the Spirit "CAME UPON" people multiple times, when it was required to produce the miraculous. Nothing has changed in that respect in the NEW TEstament.

People are "INDWELLED" by the Holy SPirit when the're born again (Which wasn't possible in the Old Testament), and "Endued with Power" by the Holy Spirit when required for ministry.

But, since you don't listed to a thing I say, there's no sense in continuing this exchange. You're a cessationist, and hold strong beliefs, probably taught to you by your denominational affiliation. I'm "Full Gospel" oriented and have no problem admitting that there have been wierd issues with some in that persuasion.

You have presented ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but the normal Cessationist reasonings, and rationalizations that I've heard for the last 50 years, so there's no reason to continue.
 

Hark

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The standard cessationist line.

PSST!!! there is no "Second filling", and in the OLD testament, the Spirit "CAME UPON" people multiple times, when it was required to produce the miraculous. Nothing has changed in that respect in the NEW TEstament.

People are "INDWELLED" by the Holy SPirit when the're born again (Which wasn't possible in the Old Testament), and "Endued with Power" by the Holy Spirit when required for ministry.

But, since you don't listed to a thing I say, there's no sense in continuing this exchange. You're a cessationist, and hold strong beliefs, probably taught to you by your denominational affiliation. I'm "Full Gospel" oriented and have no problem admitting that there have been wierd issues with some in that persuasion.

You have presented ABSOLUTELY NOTHING but the normal Cessationist reasonings, and rationalizations that I've heard for the last 50 years, so there's no reason to continue.
To insist that there are 2 events regarding His disciples. thus inferring that they were saved before Pentecost per John 20:22 and yet they received power hence the Holy Spirit a different way is to preach 2 receptions of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer.

There is no way you can reprove those who preach a second infilling of the Holy Spirit when you just laid out the groundwork i.e. the basis for them to call it a second infilling if the disciples has received the holy Spirit in 2 different ways when you said they were saved before Pentecost.

You oppose yourself and know it not.
 

Bob Carabbio

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To insist that there are 2 events regarding His disciples. thus inferring that they were saved before Pentecost per John 20:22 and yet they received power hence the Holy Spirit a different way is to preach 2 receptions of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer.
TRUE!!! of course your choice of language is influenced by your cesstionist mindset. John 20:22 is the Holy SPirit INDWELLING, and Acts 2:4 is the Holy Spirit coming UPON the church with POWER. Two totally different visitations.

John 20:22 is UNIQUE - The Holy SPirit IN the born again CHristian. ONLY possible after Calvary/
Acts 2:4 a totally different phenomenon - the Holy SPirit ON the CHurch, ANd ON Individuals which had been happening since The Creation.
There is no way you can reprove those who preach a second infilling of the Holy Spirit
Except, of course, there IS NO "SECOND INFILLING". But go ahead and play your silly "Word Games".
 

Hark

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TRUE!!! of course your choice of language is influenced by your cesstionist mindset. John 20:22 is the Holy SPirit INDWELLING, and Acts 2:4 is the Holy Spirit coming UPON the church with POWER. Two totally different visitations.

John 20:22 is UNIQUE - The Holy SPirit IN the born again CHristian. ONLY possible after Calvary/
Acts 2:4 a totally different phenomenon - the Holy SPirit ON the CHurch, ANd ON Individuals which had been happening since The Creation.

Except, of course, there IS NO "SECOND INFILLING". But go ahead and play your silly "Word Games".
So how you applied what had happened to His disciples at John 20:22 being saved then and yet again at Pentecost is what you are saying shall happen to every other believer, is that correct? If so.. one plus one is 2 visitations on every believer in life and that is not something every believer will share but they all share what had happened at the calling of the gospel when they had first believed as they were born again of the Spirit then.
 

Bob Carabbio

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So how you applied what had happened to His disciples at John 20:22 being saved then and yet again at Pentecost is what you are saying shall happen to every other believer, is that correct?
Not even close. Two totally different issues.
 
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Hark

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Not even close. Two totally different issues.
Yet you have to consider that you are either separating His disciple from other believers in how and when they were saved or you are separating saved believers from those that had another drink of the One Spirit apart from salvation from those who only had one drink of the One Spirit.

May God help you to see that something is not right with your theology as it can only promote another baptism with the Holy Ghost again by a sign of tongues for saved believers to seek after which is the same thing as reaching another calling and thus preaching another gospel.
 

Bob Carabbio

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you are separating saved believers from those that had another drink of the One Spirit apart from salvation from those who only had one drink of the One Spirit.
Ignoring your choice of terminology, YOU'RE CORRECT!!!

There are Cessationist Christians like yourself that deny the "Enduement of Power", and are convinced that the Gifts (Charisma) partially listed in 1 Cor 12 were eliminated by God when the Bible was published, and that they're no longer available to the church.

And there are "Full Gospel" Christians that know that all the Gifts are still fully functional in the Church in 2021.

There is a lunatic fringe "Oneness (United) Pentecostal" Bunch that DOES teach that if you haven't spoken in tongues, you ain't SAVED. But NO MAJOR Pentecostal/Charismatic group ascribes to that heresy.
 

Hark

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Ignoring your choice of terminology, YOU'RE CORRECT!!!

There are Cessationist Christians like yourself that deny the "Enduement of Power", and are convinced that the Gifts (Charisma) partially listed in 1 Cor 12 were eliminated by God when the Bible was published, and that they're no longer available to the church.

And there are "Full Gospel" Christians that know that all the Gifts are still fully functional in the Church in 2021.

There is a lunatic fringe "Oneness (United) Pentecostal" Bunch that DOES teach that if you haven't spoken in tongues, you ain't SAVED. But NO MAJOR Pentecostal/Charismatic group ascribes to that heresy.
Explain how by that one drink of the One Spirit that we were all baptized with the Holy Ghost at our salvation is not signifying that we do not get the gifts of the Spirit later on in life by another drink?

1 Corinthians 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many.

How come there is no other baptism of the Holy Ghost by that sign of another gift rather than just the sign of tongues? How come there is no promotion to receive the Holy Ghost by that sign of healing? Ernest Angeley's Healing Crusade sort of did that but only to receive healing whenever he announces the Holy Spirit falling on them by saying "Whoooo..........!!!", not the gift of healing for healing others.

How about the other baptism with the Holy Ghost by any other gift? If you do not see anything wrong with that picture, May the Lord help me to leave you to Him. Only God can cause the increase as only God can wake you up.
 

Bob Carabbio

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May the Lord help me to leave you to Him. Only God can cause the increase as only God can wake you up.
That's the best suggestion you've had yet!!!

HE is the one, after all, that gives wisdom when asked singlemindedly to do so.
 

Hark

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For more reproof for why we cannot receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation can be found here;

Prove the Practice of Worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son

If anyone judged slain in the spirit, Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings, Ernest Angeley's healing Crusade, and holy laughter movement are not of God, then ask yourself why they address the Holy Spirit in worship, but the devil responded where people lose self control & fall backwards?

Even that apostate calling of another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues had believers falling backwards in seeking it for why that is not coming with interpretation and thus assumed for private use because it is not God's gift of tongues but the pagan's supernatural tongue, gained for believing the lie that you can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation after that sign of tongues.

Even one reported from India that he felt the Holy Spirit entering into him like liquid nitrogen when they were honoring the Holy Spirit that calendar day of Pentecost and he began confessing an apology ( against his will ) to the Holy Spirit for not believing He did those dramatic manifestation as He did in the early church days. I discern with Him that God would prefer a willing apology and a sincere confession and since the Holy Spirit would never draw attention to Himself in worship, but testify of the Son to glorify the Son, and He does that through us ( John 15:26-27 & John 16:14 ) then that also has to include worship and not just outward ministry.

Jesus warned that climbing up another way will lead believers astray in following a stranger's voice in John 10:1-5 so this broadening the way in the worship place by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the father & the Son is a work of iniquity ( Matthew 7:13-27 ) for why many believers and churches are falling and so the solution is to strive ye to enter thru that straight gate ( Luke 13:24-30 ) to avoid being left behind. By only honoring the Son in worship in order to honor God the Father is how one avoid that iniquity in worship.
 

Hark

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You can read this book online here; The Early Years of the Tongues Movement

It is because they are not discerning the hype generated from these movements to sell the apostasy of believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation, to that which exposes it as not of Him at all by those phenomenon is why they should conclude by Jesus's own words that no evil tree can produce a good fruit & no good tree can produce an evil fruit. It's conclusion has to be, it is all bad and thus not of Him at all.

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