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Yes God resists the proud but gives His grace to the humble. Jesus tell us the same in Matt 5:3 and 11:25.No. Just a to do list of one, ie humility. Then God does the saving, not us.
Yes God resists the proud but gives His grace to the humble. Jesus tell us the same in Matt 5:3 and 11:25.No. Just a to do list of one, ie humility. Then God does the saving, not us.
Well death is the wages of sin, so Jesus can't over come a bit of death for this person or that, he has to overcome it all, doesn't he? So by default all the debt is paid, he can't choose to pay a little bit here for that person or none for another, because they refuse to come and receive it, it can't work that way.I know what you told me. I need you to answer why Christ would pay a ransom for those who prefer to remain captive? Your dodging
lets see if he answers your ?Well death is the wages of sin, so Jesus can't over come a bit of death for this person or that, he has to overcome it all, doesn't he? So by default all the debt is paid, he can't choose to pay a little bit here for that person or none for another, because they refuse to come and receive it, it can't work that way.
Ask yourself the question, is mankind under the power of death, yes or no, yes, they are.
Did Jesus over come the power of death, yes or no? Yes, so it'a ll paid for. The debt is paid in full.
This is biblical, your argument that Jesus can pay that persons debt, but not another, simply doesn't work that way, you misunderstand what the debt is that's got to be paid.
Of course not, because “all” only means all when you say so.A person can refuse to follow through after a ransom is paid. Why would it have to be different for scripture? Christ died for all doesn't have to mean all will get saved.
When you was a Calvinist, I tried to explain this to you, but you didn't get it, do you understand what I am saying about what the debt is?lets see if he answers your ?
They don’t have a clue. 😁Which person? LOL
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Pelagianism has taken. Universalism is in progress. Next stop, Open Theism.Well death is the wages of sin, so Jesus can't over come a bit of death for this person or that, he has to overcome it all, doesn't he? So by default all the debt is paid, he can't choose to pay a little bit here for that person or none for another, because they refuse to come and receive it, it can't work that way.
Ask yourself the question, is mankind under the power of death, yes or no, yes, they are.
Did Jesus over come the power of death, yes or no? Yes, so it'a ll paid for. The debt is paid in full.
This is biblical, your argument that Jesus can pay that persons debt, but not another, simply doesn't work that way, you misunderstand what the debt is that's got to be paid.
yes I was blind to it then because I was defending calvinism , not scripture. its what we see here all of the timeWhen you was a Calvinist, I tried to explain this to you, but you didn't get it, do you understand what I am saying about what the debt is?
If you do, how can it be paid in part? lol.
It doesn't have to be a car. It could be a tractor. It can still be rejected.
Well death is the wages of sin, so Jesus can't over come a bit of death for this person or that, he has to overcome it all, doesn't he? So by default all the debt is paid, he can't choose to pay a little bit here for that person or none for another, because they refuse to come and receive it, it can't work that way.
Ask yourself the question, is mankind under the power of death, yes or no, yes, they are.
Did Jesus over come the power of death, yes or no? Yes, so it'a ll paid for. The debt is paid in full.
This is biblical, your argument that Jesus can pay that persons debt, but not another, simply doesn't work that way, you misunderstand what the debt is that's got to be paid.
Still have not addressed my questionWell death is the wages of sin, so Jesus can't over come a bit of death for this person or that, he has to overcome it all, doesn't he? So by default all the debt is paid, he can't choose to pay a little bit here for that person or none for another, because they refuse to come and receive it, it can't work that way.
Ask yourself the question, is mankind under the power of death, yes or no, yes, they are.
Did Jesus over come the power of death, yes or no? Yes, so it'a ll paid for. The debt is paid in full.
This is biblical, your argument that Jesus can pay that persons debt, but not another, simply doesn't work that way, you misunderstand what the debt is that's got to be paid.
This one here thinks James 4:6 is a "how to get saved" verse. Not even close. The other texts? They don't support his works/merited grace "gospel" either.Yes God resists the proud but gives His grace to the humble. Jesus tell us the same in Matt 5:3 and 11:25.
its your gospel that is of works not mine lol. projecting again. already refuted you below hereThis one here thinks James 4:6 is a "how to get saved" verse. Not even close. The other texts? They don't support his works "gospel" either.
I have gone out of my way to accommodate you and you have not moved an inch. I have explained in great detail why it must all be paid in full and can't be paid in part.Still have not addressed my question
Why would Christ pay the ransom for those who prefer to remain captive?
take care and let me know what you think of the video brotherI have gone out of my way to accommodate you and you have not moved an inch. I have explained in great detail why it must all be paid in full and can't be paid in part.
You appear to be frozen to the spot, no amount of blowtorch applied to your tootsies will move you, but I have tried, really I have.
Have a good night RG, I have to knock off now, God bless everyone.
I have gone out of my way to accommodate you and you have not moved an inch. I have explained in great detail why it must all be paid in full and can't be paid in part.
You appear to be frozen to the spot, no amount of blowtorch applied to your tootsies will move you, but I have tried, really I have.
Have a good night RG, I have to knock off now, God bless everyone.
No Lee. When my question is adressed I will gladly address yours. Your simply dodging/
Why would He pay a ransom for those who prefer to remain captive?
Oh there must be some way to deny these truths and explain it away.John 10: 25Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
False charges all you got? Nothing in my Gospel is works.its your gospel that is of works not mine lol.
Nope. Sorry. I nailed you. Shooting fish in a barrell. Taking candy from a baby.projecting again.
Never happened. Showing me your one of your threads links doesn't show or prove any refutation, it just shows you made a thread. Only the naive would believe giving a link proves your false charges.already refuted you below her
Seeking the truth is one thing, and trying to win a debate to save face is another. I do not care about winning a debate, rather, I only seek the truth.Oh there must be some way to deny these truths and explain it away.
Watch and see.
Yep. The truth is not debatable. One can either agree with it or deny it.Seeking the truth is one thing, and trying to win a debate to save face is another. I do not care about winning a debate, rather, I only the truth.