Yes, considering humility. Doesn't God regard humility to Him?
I don't see this as good reasoning from you. We can't be saved without humility or acceptance. Humility doesn't have to be specifically stated in the particular passage.
Who did Jesus give Himself a ransom for ?
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Yes, considering humility. Doesn't God regard humility to Him?
I don't see this as good reasoning from you. We can't be saved without humility or acceptance. Humility doesn't have to be specifically stated in the particular passage.
"7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
It looks much different when you actually look at the context, and not a verse in isolation, doesn't it? And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. If, what you say is true, then why would God have to send them a strong (not weak, not standard strength, but strong) delusion that they should believe a lie, just so God can damn them? And for what? For having pleasure in unrighteousness. For this, these people you speak of are so damned of God, that He would ensure that they should believe a lie.
When did the gospel become a works based salvation?
That makes absolutely no sense. Being kidnapped and tortured, and having someone save you from that by paying ransom is not the same as offering your date lunch. Or offering to buy a car for someone.
What do you mean? Do you mean that we get to trash His creation, and He is not permitted to do anything, or He ceases being God in your eyes?
That doesn't mean we have to accept it. We are not automatically saved.
Not sure ...... kind of got stuck on who paid the ransome.
Vis a vee ...... Not sure about God paying the ransome.
If the ransome was paid to set us free, that is one thing.
If the ransome was paid to one seeking to keep us in bondage.
Quite another.
Alot of people seem to think we were sold into slavery (by Jesus) ; back to bondage.
To never be ......
Back to your chains my friend ......
to never be.
Jesus paid the price for you never to be?
Kind of wierd position.
But postulated.
Like I ws saying before ...... IMO the more important question is, who would pay a ransome for us never to be?
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So you to deny Christ when He said that with man salvation is impossible? Based on this, there are none that Christ would see into the heart that they would accept. Yet you deny Him. He clearly said that with man, this is impossible. It is only with God (God's involvement) that the impossible becomes possible. If God does not act, there is no change.
It's not. Humility is not regarded by God as works. Trying not to sin to attain heaven is works.
Carbon
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Lol.
right.
Jesus paid the ransom to God's justice. Not to Satan. I heard it put in an interesting way. Just what was in the cup that Jesus cried out to the Father about letting it pass, if it be in His will? Usually, when speaking of cups in this light, it has to do with the cup of wrath. Jesus was the perfect, spotless lamb, and the Son of God. Why should He face that? He is innocent. It is something He should never face. Yet He willingly faced it on the cross.
The thing that was interesting was that this was contrasted to some Christians who were tortured and crucified. They were overjoyed to face that torment, in light of what Jesus went through. They deserved it. There was no resistance to it. They were overjoyed to hear that they would be crucified. Once again, the difference between them and Jesus, is Jesus faced it as an innocent man, the sacrifice for sin, while these were sinners, saved by grace. If any deserved it, they did. (As well as all of us.) They faced it with joy.
I never said otherwise. But it doesn't mean we are just part of a machine and have no libertarian thought whatsoever.
preacher4truth
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It doesn't matter if they "follow through," their ransom has been paid.
In full.
Jesus "followed through." That's what matters. The balance of your post got snipped as it only continued off your above error.
But they don't always follow through. You can buy everyone's ticket in full but it doesn't mean they all accept it.
Carbon
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preacher4truth
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You don't know what you're talking about. Nothing we do assists salvation. Nothing in your list does a thing. Do you have anything else to add to your list of things to do to be saved? You're up to 4 things now.
It doesn't mean that we aren't part of a machine and have libertarian thought. We don't believe that, because some of us understand logical arguments made that show that one can have Calvin, and not be robots. Yet, since everyone wishes to keep God crushed to the ground, one cannot allow those kinds of thoughts.
Freedom?
We are not part of a machine with no libertarian thought of ourselves. Something of our life libertarianly comes from us. You have not proven otherwise.