preacher4truth
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The sin debt was paid in full. The ransom was paid at the time of the cross; Colossians 1:8-15. At that moment the ransom was paid in full, and salvation for all of His was instantly achieved by that one offering.God paying in full doesn't mean instant salvation.
We experience this salvation in time, yes, but it was already paid for in full at the cross. I'll do my best to present my argument from Scripture.We are still lost all the while paid in full until we hear the gospel and get saved.
We were saved with Him at the time of the Cross, died with Him there, buried with Him, were raised with Him, seated with Him &c. Note Ephesians 1-2; Colossians 1:8-15. This all took place at the cross. You're applying this ransom paid, this transaction, to those who are lost and will never be saved as well. Ransom cannot be divorced from all it entailed at the Cross. Thus, the ransom was only paid for the aforementioned, not the world at large. It does not and can never apply to those who will never be saved.
They, "those who are perishing," did not die with Him, weren't buried with Him, weren't raised with Him, they weren't made alive in Him there, they were not seated in the heavenlies there with Him as all the elect were, as witnessed in these texts, at the time of the cross, to be experienced by those to whom it was applied, in time.
Exactly! But you're the one who teaches this, I do not. You do understand this, correct?So why would it have to count those who don't accept it?
The ransom paid counts only for the elect, not the world at large. Scripture demonstrates this. Those who are not saved and will not be saved have not had their sins paid for in full as you and others teach.
Everywhere in Scripture the debt paid is in reference to us, those who are saved. Again, this took place at the cross &c.
Now, bear with me, back to the list of things you mentioned to me in our dialog. I want to address this.
Part of the reason you teach we are saved "after we become followers," and "because we accepted," and "because we humbled ourselves," and "because we inclined ourselves to hear" is due to conflating a regenerated person with doing things that cause salvation. You also have a mixture of ongoing sanctification here pre-salvation.
We are not saved because of anything we have done, this is the language of 2 Timothy 1:17; 1 Corinthians 1:26-31; Ephesians 2:4ff &c. Grace is unmerited favor. THAT is the Gospel in a nut shell. You continue to say it is because of something we have done, showing you are not fully understanding the fall of man, nature of God and salvation. This does not mean you are not saved, we are not saved via knowledge, you're simply making a common mistake.
Soli Deo Gloria my friend. Have a blessed time in church, God bless!