Who do you say that I Am ?

[OldShepherd]

I presumed you recognized the verse you led with in the post to which I responded. It included your quotation of John 5:23 and I was discussing the same verse 23 and the one that preceded it. But of course you already knew that.
Do you have a response that deals with the text?

Alas, unfortunately I have not memorized the entire Bible and since I learned to read when FDR was POTUS the synapses don't synap as they once did.

 

[Roger Thornhill]

Alas, unfortunately I have not memorized the entire Bible and since I learned to read when FDR was POTUS the synapses don't synap as they once did.

Just remember that when I reply to you I actually address what you just said and in fact include what you said in my reply, unlike what you have been doing.

 

[OldShepherd]

Did you take a poll of most Trinitarians?
Let me break this down for you. Many Trinitarians are familiar with the three "who's"'and one "what."
The three "who's" are the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The one "what" is the Divine substance, what God is, not who He is.
Whenever there is one of something to the Trinitarian it is not a person.
Do you disagree?

Did you take a poll of Trinitarians? Let me circle back on that "Most of the Trinitarians I have encountered in 7+ decades, in three countries, 5-6 states "believe that God has revealed Himself as Triune." But I don't know of any who pray to, worship etc. the Trinity.

 

[Justword]

Did you take a poll of Trinitarians? Let me circle back on that "Most of the Trinitarians I have encountered in 7+ decades, in three countries, 5-6 states "believe that God has revealed Himself as Triune." But I don't know of any who pray to, worship etc. the Trinity.

 

[Justword]

You gotta laugh when you hear the "most people" or "my denomination" or the seminary teaches this or that .
The Holy scriptures are sufficient!
“For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Roger Thornhill]

Did you take a poll of Trinitarians? Let me circle back on that "Most of the Trinitarians I have encountered in 7+ decades, in three countries, 5-6 states "believe that God has revealed Himself as Triune." But I don't know of any who pray to, worship etc. the Trinity.

I said nothing about Trinitarian practice.

Even Wiki agrees with my definition.

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from Latin: trinus"threefold")[1] holds that God is one God, but three coeternal and consubstantialpersons:[2][3] the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature" (homoousios).[4] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is whoone is.[5]

 

[Our Lord's God]

Jesus asked that question and lets here the testimony of Jesus, the Apostles and scripture.

Jesus said He was the I Am who existed before Abraham was born. He says He is the Savior, Lord, Christ, The Alpha and Omega the First and the Last. The names and titles of YHWH for sure

John calls Him God, YHWH and true God in his writings

Peter call Him God and Savior in his writings

Jude calls Him the only Lord to the exclusion of all others.

Paul calls Him God, Lord, Lord over all, YHWH in his writings

Thomas called Him God.

Now the question remains today? Can you confess like those above that Jesus is YHWH(God) ?

If not then you deny the Son. Remember Jesus also said those who deny the Son the Father will also deny !

Lets see what the Apostles who were inspired by God to record in Scripture

Matthew
Matthew said He was Immanuel, God with us- Matthew 1:23

John
John said the Word was God and the Word became flesh John 1:1,14
John said Jesus is the True God and Eternal Life- 1 John 5:20
John said Jesus is the I AM ( YHWH) the Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last- Revelation 22:12-13
John said Jesus is the Lord God Almighty, the Alpha and Omega- Revelation 1:8

Thomas
Thomas said Jesus was His Lord and His God- John 20:28

Peter
Peter said Jesus is our God and Savior- 2 Peter 1:1

James
James said Jesus is the Lord that elders call upon to heal the sick- James 5-14
James said the Prophets spoke in His name YHWH- James 5-10

Jude
Jude said He is YHWH, the Only Sovereign and Lord- Jude 1:4
Jude said Jesus is the Lord( YHWH) who delivered his people out of Egypt- Jude 1:8

Paul
Paul says Jesus is our God and Savior- Titus 2:13
Paul says Jesus is YHWH( Lord)- Romans 10:13 and Joel 2:32

Author of Hebrews
He said Jesus is the Creator who is YHWH that made everything and called Him God- Hebrews 1:8-10

Jesus
Jesus said He is the I Am ( YHWH)- John 8:58
Jesus said he who has seen Me has seen the Father- John 14:9
Jesus said He was EQUAL with the Father- John 5:17-18

So my question is since all these who were inspired to write these TRUTHS down concerning the Person of Christ, why do people not share this with others ?

Why do people in the church not share this with others when they witness ?

Why are people afraid to tell others who the REAL JESUS is ? God Incarnate

No one can say Jesus is LORD (YHWH) except by the Spirit !

hope this helps !!!

You didn't like Peter's answer eh?

Jesus did.

 

[Yahchristian]

I don't know of any who pray to, worship etc. the Trinity.

Seriously?

The first line of the Trinitarian Athanasian Creed says...

“We worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity...”

 

[johnny guitar]

This discussion is about why the Father can be called the one God all by Himself, when the Son is not and when the one God to Trinitarians is the Trinity.

All by Himself is a fictional addition to Scripture.

 

[johnny guitar]

Funny how the word trinity and trinitarian gets a broad brush as if there aren't assorted versions of this unscriptural word.
There are equally an assortment of self described oneness with differing views.

I believe both are wrong , one goes north east and the other south east, when we want due east.

The great Jehovah appeared to Israel in a pillar of fire. As the Angel of the Covenant He lived in that pillar of fire and led Israel daily. At the temple He announced His coming with a great cloud. Then one day He was manifested in a virgin-born body that was prepared for Him. The God that tabernacled above the tents of Israel now took on Himself a tent of flesh and tabernacled as a man amongst men. But He was the SAME GOD.

The Bible teaches that GOD WAS IN CHRIST. The BODY was Jesus. In Him dwelt all the fulness of the Godhead, BODILY. *****Nothing can be plainer than that. Mystery, yes. But actual truth — it can’t be plainer. So if He wasn’t three people then, He can’t be three now. ONE GOD: And this same God was made flesh.

Jesus said, “I came from God, and I go (back) to God.” John 16:27-28. That is exactly what happened. He disappeared from earth by way of His death, burial, resurrection, and ascension. Then Paul met Him on the road to Damascus and He spoke to Paul and said, “Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou Me?” Paul said, “Who art Thou, Lord?” He said, “I am Jesus.” ****

He was a pillar of fire, a blinding light. He had turned back, exactly as He said He would. Back to the same form that He was before He took on a tabernacle of flesh. That is exactly how John saw it. John 1:18, “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, Which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.” Notice where John says that Jesus IS. He is IN the bosom of the Father.

Luke 2:11 says, “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, Which is Christ the Lord.” He was born the Christ, and eight days later when He was circumcised He was named Jesus,

But Jesus Christ, who is God, is NOT The Father. He is The Son.

 

[johnny guitar]

Jesus and God are indistinguishable.
Jesus is God tabernacled in the flesh and blood body of the man Lord Jesus Christ.
When you see Jesus you see God in the flesh.
“Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:9-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Jesus is Born of the Holy Ghost
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Don't get caught up with titles and offices , by doing so you will be making God into pieces and multiple fathers. One God many offices and Titles.

ONE God, THREE Persons.
Next..............................

 

[OldShepherd]

Seriously?
The first line of the Trinitarian Athanasian Creed says...
“We worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity...”

Do you have a problem understanding English? The first 4 words read "We worship one God." If you like I can explain that to you. What follows are adjectival phrases which describe the "one God" NOT names or titles.

 

[OldShepherd]

You gotta laugh when you hear the "most people" or "my denomination" or the seminary teaches this or that .
The Holy scriptures are sufficient!
“For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar;as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The problem with this myopic opinion is different people, denominations etc. can read the same verse(s) and understand a different meaning. See e.g. John 1:1c

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

Many people/denominations understand this vs. exactly as written here but others understand it as "the Word was a God."
I know let's rely on spiritual revelation from God. Every group I have ever encountered; LDS, JW, WWCG, OP, UPCI, INC all claim to have spiritual revelation but they are all different.
How about this I speak more than one language when I have a question about a word I don't sit down and wait for God to reveal it to me I look it up in an English/other language dictionary.
So laugh away amigo you "know" you are right and everyone who does not agree with you is wrong, God Himself told you that.

 

[Yahchristian]

Do you have a problem understanding English?

No, do you?

This phrase in English...

“We worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity...”

...would mean...

“We worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity...”


Whereas, this phrase in English...

“We worship one God in trinity and in unity...”

...would mean...

“We worship one God in trinity and in unity...”


So how does the Athanasian Creed say it?

 

[OldShepherd]

No, do you?
This phrase in English...
“We worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity...”
...would mean...
“We worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity...”
Whereas, this phrase in English...
“We worship one God in trinity and in unity...”
...would mean...
“We worship one God in trinity and in unity...”
So how does the Athanasian Creed say it?

Evidently you don't comprehend English. You ignore the first 4 words and inexplicably emphasize the next few words over and over as if repetition somehow gives them some special significance.
You do know that "trinity" means tri-unity, don't you?

 

[johnny guitar]

That sidesteps the point I made. You apparently use the term "one God" differently that does Paul.

At Ephesians 4:6 it's "One God and Father of all."

To a Trinitarian the one God is three. But to Paul it's




I am sure you know as I do. That's why I said I quote him as a hostile w



Look at why Jesus said this. Verse 23 starts with ίνα and gives verse 22 as the reason why we honor the Son like this. It's because the Father delegated judgement to the Son. And notice in 23b that this honors the Father who sent him.

This reminds me of what Jesus said at John 13:20 that to receive the disciples sent by Jesus is to receive him and to receive Jesus is to receive his Father.

ONE God, THREE Persons.
State the Trinity correctly Mr. Thornhill.

 

[OldShepherd]

Did you take a poll of Trinitarians? Let me circle back on that "Most of the Trinitarians I have encountered in 7+ decades, in three countries, 5-6 states "believe that God has revealed Himself as Triune." But I don't know of any who pray to, worship etc. the Trinity.

Seriously?
The first line of the Trinitarian Athanasian Creed says...
“We worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity...”

I missed this garbage response the first time around.
Note what I said "But I don't know of any [Trinitarians] who pray to, worship etc. the Trinity." I said nothing about any creed. So what in the world does a creed have to do with my response?

 

[Justword]

ONE God, THREE Persons.
Next..............................

For there to be a PERSON -SiNGULAR - there must be a PERSONALITY or again language has NO meaning.

You cant make many persons and personalities into a NAME !!!!!!!

 

[Justword]

For there to be a PERSON -SiNGULAR - there must be a PERSONALITY or again language has NO meaning.

You cant make many persons and personalities into a NAME !!!!!!!

There is one NAME His name is Lord Jesus the Christ upon the new covenant rest alone.

Beyond all the scriptures I cited and the fact they all line up you have never ever seen any one remotely being baptized in any way.

“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭1:10-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Again referring even to the simple , warning of a person's name singular and referring to our Christ. Dear Lord you ate waxed cold you still cant get this !!

 

[Yahchristian]

Yes!!! I confess “Jesus is YHWH (God)”!!!

Do YOU?

Whereas Trinitarians confess “Jesus is one of three called YHWH (God)”.

And Unitarians confess “Jesus was adopted by YHWH (God)”.

So far I am the only one who has answered @civic's question...

Can you confess... Jesus is YHWH (God)?

Are there any TRINITARIANS who will affirm that exact statement.

How about you @civic, you actually didn't say whether or not you did.