Who indwells and sanctifies the Church?

Yahchristian

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CARM says "So, clearly, we see differences in function and roles. The Father sends, directs, and predestines. The Son does the will of the Father, becomes flesh, and accomplishes redemption. The Holy Spirit indwells and sanctifies the Church. Without these distinctions there can't be any distinctions between the persons of the Trinity; and if there are no distinctions, there is no Trinity."

Just to verify the distinctions, TRINITARIANS can you tell me...

1) The Father indwells and sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE
2) The Son indwells and sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE

P.S.

Are you able to provide an overview of what you believe? Here is mine...

For this creation, YHWH God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how God would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent God (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Word of God) with a glorious body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Word of God. But whereas God created a human spirit and soul for each of us, God himself as the Word became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
CARM says "So, clearly, we see differences in function and roles. The Father sends, directs, and predestines. The Son does the will of the Father, becomes flesh, and accomplishes redemption. The Holy Spirit indwells and sanctifies the Church. Without these distinctions there can't be any distinctions between the persons of the Trinity; and if there are no distinctions, there is no Trinity."

Just to verify the distinctions, TRINITARIANS can you tell me...

1) The Father indwells and sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE
2) The Son indwells and sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
False. The Holy Spirit indwells and sanctifies The Church.

My questions were...
1) The Father indwells and sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE (You said FALSE)
2) The Son indwells and sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE (You said FALSE)

You said FALSE to both.

So just to clarify since those statements included two verbs...
1a) The Father indwells the Church. TRUE or FALSE
1b) The Father sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE
2a) The Son indwells the Church. TRUE or FALSE
2b) The Son sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE

I assume you will say FALSE to all the questions but would like you to confirm that.
 

johnny guitar

Well-known member
My questions were...
1) The Father indwells and sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE (You said FALSE)
2) The Son indwells and sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE (You said FALSE)

You said FALSE to both.

So just to clarify since those statements included two verbs...
1a) The Father indwells the Church. TRUE or FALSE
1b) The Father sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE
2a) The Son indwells the Church. TRUE or FALSE
2b) The Son sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE

I assume you will say FALSE to all the questions but would like you to confirm that.
Correct. False to all questions.
Indwelling and sanctifying the Church is the role of The Holy Spirit ONLY.
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
1a) The Father indwells the Church. TRUE or FALSE
1b) The Father sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE
2a) The Son indwells the Church. TRUE or FALSE
2b) The Son sanctifies the Church. TRUE or FALSE
False to all questions.
Indwelling and sanctifying the Church is the role of The Holy Spirit ONLY.

2 Corinthians 13:5... Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
 

johnny guitar

Well-known member
2 Corinthians 13:5... Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Jesus Christ dwells in every believer, but The Holy Spirit indwells The CHURCH.
 

Yahchristian

Well-known member
The Church refers to the entire BODY of Christ.
The believer refers to INDIVIDUALS.

Just to clarify what you believe...

The Holy Spirit indwells every believer. True or False?

Jesus indwells every believer. True or False?


If you say True and True...

What is the difference between "the entire BODY of Christ" and "every believer"?

In other words...

If you remove "every believer" from "the entire BODY of Christ", what is left?
 

johnny guitar

Well-known member
Just to clarify what you believe...

The Holy Spirit indwells every believer. True or False?

Jesus indwells every believer. True or False?


If you say True and True...

What is the difference between "the entire BODY of Christ" and "every believer"?

In other words...

If you remove "every believer" from "the entire BODY of Christ", what is left?
We are speaking of individual believers as distinct from The CHURCH.
 
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