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The Arm of the Lord is a reference to the Messiah and it is not the hand of the Lord.
who is this man?
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Unfortunately the Koran ignores God's plan of redemption and therefore cannot offer the assurance of heaven to those who read it. Again, Muhammad said he could not save anyone from hellfire and he did not know what would happen to them, He also said that Jesus knows the way to heaven, that is because He is the way to heaven - "I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except by me." John 14:6. Christians have the assurance of heaven becasue it has been promised to us through Jesus. Muslims do not have this hope.
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The core message in the former books is God's plan of Redemption. The books trace the progression of the Plan from Genesis to the prophets to its fulfillment in Jesus.
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The Bible is totally different from the Koran. The Bible is all about God's plan of Redemption. The Koran incorporated much from the Bible and even the Christian apocrypha, but ignored the main message of the Bible and that is redemption through Jesus.
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Muhammad said that God keeps His word and He has. The validity of the New Testament is verified by its consistency with the Old Testament. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the Old and scripture verifies scripture. The gospels and the epistles were circulated in the churches in the first century. Paul and Peter were martyed around 64 AD and their works were in the churches then. Revelation was written in 95 AD and that was in circulation then. The copies of these original documents are what has been handed down to us, just like any ancient literature has to be because there are no originals anywhere. The fact that we have so much documentation today confirms the originals and enables the texts to be checked accurately.
There are no originals of the Koran either and the originals from which the current text has been taken were deliberately destroyed and not carefully preserved as in the Bible. So we have no way of knowing if what Muhammad said is accurate.
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The Bible has not been altered or added to. God keeps His word as Muhammad said. I guess you don't believe him. The Koran is not in its original state, it was assembled from the originals and the originals were destroyed. We do not know if what you have today is accurate because we do not have those copies.
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God does not lie. He promised the Redeemer and that He would be bruised by Satan and He was on the cross which was the devil's defeat. There are multitudes of prophecies, foreshadows and typologies that support Jesus as the Messiah and His death on the cross. Once such prophecy is found in Daniel 9:26. An Anointed One is killed before the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Jesus was killed before the destruction of the second temple and the city in 70AD. He has fulfilled Daniel's prophecies perfectly which was about bringing in redemption from sin. This is why Christians can't take the Koran seriously because it ignores all the evidence that support the gospel. When Jesus told Nicodemus that He would be lifted up as Moses lifted the serpent on the pole, He was referring to one of those typologies that represented His crucifixion. We have the background that supports the gospel which Muslims do not understand. If you reject God's plan of redemption in Jesus you cannot be saved because God has made no other provision for salvation.
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The Peshitta is the Aramaic version. Jesus words were translated into the Greek and languages all over the world. They are all consistant.
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They were not zombies they were people that were resurrected as a sign of the future resurrection.
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There are no contradictions in Jesus lineage. One is Joseph's and the other is Mary's.
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The reference that refers to the Messiah as the Arm is talking about a person not a part of a man's body. In Isaiah 51:9, the Arm is addressed as a distinct person.
The only one called Messiah in Isaiah is Cyrus, what other person is mentioned by name in deutero-Isaiah (40-55)?
The context here must still be Cyrus, the one who defeated Babylon. זרע here could be a verb here, to be precise, χειρόω to conquer, overpower, subdue (without any sense of violence).
Now, this is suspicious, John is directly quoting the Septuagint and the Hebrew verse begins with מי "who" not Lord.
τίς ἐπηλήθευσεν τῇ φήμῃ ἡμῶν
מי האמין לשמעתנו
Mr Allah threatened a 90-year pensioner and his family?
Whoever wrote the Quran, did not know the name of the Pharoah, how would someone in the 6th century CE know that information? By the time the Story of Moses was originally written, Ramses II was already ancient history, it is a late story,
Anachronism.
Exodus 13:17 The Pharoah discharged the people and God did not lead the way of the Land of Palestine.
ἐν πέμπειν ἔφορος λαόν οὐχ ἡγεῖται θεὸς τρόπον ἐρᾶς Παλαιστίνης
בשלח פרעה את־העם ולא־נחם אלהים דרך ארץ פלשתים
Another striking feature of the Prophet mohmmed was the perfection and beauty of his way of speaking.
One of the special gifts the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was graced with was jawami al-kalim -
(i.e., the shortest expression carrying the widest meanings)
The Prophet spoke in a manner in which every word was clearly pronounced and was understandable to everyone; so much so that if the listeners had counted the words it wouldn't have been a problem. He emphasized important sentences in his speech by repeating them three times.
According to the circumstances, the Prophet was a preacher, a mufti, a judge; or else a teacher, an educator, a head of the family; possibly also a diplomat, a commander, a conqueror. Besides all these qualities, he stands out as a sociable man with a wide circle of friends; he was in contact with friends and enemies, with Muslims and non-Muslims, with rich and poor, with young and old, with women and men alike.
Whenever the Prophet conversed, he always treated his Sahaba like a humble brother, a loving teacher and a kind father. When he wanted to teach them some rules of etiquette, he always addressed them in a gentle way. What he had to say he expressed sometimes jokingly, sometimes flatteringly, cheeringly, hopefully and encouragingly; depending on the circumstances, however, he sometimes used an ironic, comparative, horizon-broadening and thought-provoking manner.
The Prophet did not at all condone unnecessary exaggerations, excessive behavior that could bring Islam a bad name and contradicted the basic principles. Whenever such behaviors came to his attention, he became sad, angry, publicly opposed it and warned in a stern tone, trying to avoid such behaviors.
قصة جميلة وحزينة لفتاة أمريكية اعتنقت الإسلام وتوجه رسالة للمسلمين
حمزة يحرج زائر أمام زوجته ويفضح كذبة حرية التعبير عند الغرب
One of the special gifts the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was graced with was jawami al-kalim -
(i.e., the shortest expression carrying the widest meanings)
The Prophet spoke in a manner in which every word was clearly pronounced and was understandable to everyone; so much so that if the listeners had counted the words it wouldn't have been a problem. He emphasized important sentences in his speech by repeating them three times.
According to the circumstances, the Prophet was a preacher, a mufti, a judge; or else a teacher, an educator, a head of the family; possibly also a diplomat, a commander, a conqueror. Besides all these qualities, he stands out as a sociable man with a wide circle of friends; he was in contact with friends and enemies, with Muslims and non-Muslims, with rich and poor, with young and old, with women and men alike.
Whenever the Prophet conversed, he always treated his Sahaba like a humble brother, a loving teacher and a kind father. When he wanted to teach them some rules of etiquette, he always addressed them in a gentle way. What he had to say he expressed sometimes jokingly, sometimes flatteringly, cheeringly, hopefully and encouragingly; depending on the circumstances, however, he sometimes used an ironic, comparative, horizon-broadening and thought-provoking manner.
The Prophet did not at all condone unnecessary exaggerations, excessive behavior that could bring Islam a bad name and contradicted the basic principles. Whenever such behaviors came to his attention, he became sad, angry, publicly opposed it and warned in a stern tone, trying to avoid such behaviors.
عثمان بن فاروق يجيب عن سؤال: ما الفرق بين الكتاب المقدس والقرآن؟
عثمان بن فاروق يجيب عن سؤال : ما هي الوهابية؟ من هم السنة والشيعة؟
لا تلوم الإسلام بسبب أفعال المسلمين - حوار عباس مع زائر محترم
قصة جميلة وحزينة لفتاة أمريكية اعتنقت الإسلام وتوجه رسالة للمسلمين
حمزة يحرج زائر أمام زوجته ويفضح كذبة حرية التعبير عند الغرب
Did you hear him speak? No voice recorders in those days, so no way to prove it.
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Isaiah describes Jesus' purpose which is obvious. The early Rabbis clearly recognized that it was about the Messiah and they refuted Rashi when he said it wasn't.
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Isaiah 53 is not talking about Cyrus and he is also not the Arm of the Lord that is the Messiah. Isaiah 53 prophesies Jesus' death which is correlated with Daniel 9:26.
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Muhammad did not want his people to give Islam a bad name but they have already done that in their senseless murders of innocent people all over the world.
I met a woman whose grown daughter's best friend is a Muslim. One day her Muslim friend said to her, "If they declare a jihad I will have to kill you." What is that? That is Muslims discrediting Islam.
Akay, you must do your own research into Christianity and seek Jesus for yourself. You take all your teachings from the mouths of men which is evident from all those videos you post. They only show that Muslims have little understanding of what Christianity is all about. God loves you. He loves you so much He instigated a plan of Redemption for your soul way back in Genesis because He knew you would need it. There is no way your soul can ascend into God's presence when you die unless it is unified with the Holy Spirit. The spirit we inherit from Adam was not designed to transport our souls into heaven after the death of the body. The Spirit is released to us by faith in Jesus' death and resurrection from the dead which is the fulfillment of the plan God instigated in Eden. Without the Holy Spirit you will be in hell and I do not want to see that happen to you. Remember even Muhammad said he could not save anyone and Jesus knows the way to heaven. Read Jesus' words they are the truth and do what He says you need to do to be saved. Blessings to you.
Messiah (משיח) is an adjective meaning 'smeared on, painted'. Gk. ἐπίχριστος.
Isaiah 45:1 Cyrus Messiah
Isaiah 45:13 to build city, free captives.
Daniel 9:25 to build city ... Messiah
Daniel 10:1 Cyrus.
What captives did Jesus set free?
What city did Jesus build?
Daniel 9:2 he would accomplish seventy years
This was fulfilled in the first year of Cyrus (Ezra 1:1).
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God gave all the prophets beautiful bodies, beautiful faces, beautiful voices, and good speech
This is not limited to the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him only
The Messenger of Allâh peace be upon himsaid:
« God sent the Prophets, all with a beautiful face and a beautiful voice ].[narrated by at-tirmîdhiyy
Prophet has the most beautiful face and the most beautiful voice ».
Our Prophet Salla l-Lâhou alayhi wa sallam was the one who had the most beautiful characters and the most beautiful aspects.
Al-Barâ' Ibnou Azib said in the description of the Messager of Allâh Salla l-Lâhou alayhi wa sallam: « The Messenger of Allâh Salla l-Lâhou alayhi wa sallam had the most beautiful face and the best of manners ».
Allâh says in the honorable Qour'ân about the Prophet mohmed peace be upon him
(4) And indeed, you are of a great moral character.
Which means: the one who wants to know the manners of the Prophet, let him recite the Qur’ân and let him understand it. All good manners that Allâh orders in the Qour’ân are among the manners of the Prophet peace be upon him
« He was not vulgar and was neither of those who seek vulgarity, nor of those who shout in the markets. He was not one of those who respond to bad behavior through bad behavior. On the contrary, he forgive and excuse ».
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You are just brainwashed by fake media about MuslimsAnd because there are some misguided groups that attribute themselves to Islam, and they kill Muslims and non-Muslims
when western soldiers without exception were blessed before each mission preceding the bombardment of civilians by Christian priests who are on every western base in the world.
This situation and behavior of Christians is the real instigator and troublemaker against Christians across the Muslim world.
In Palestine,
Muslims have been killing children, women and men, and have occupied their country since 1947. Palestinian civilians are repressed with rubber bullets, stun grenades, beatings and attacks by Israeli soldiers
people and children live every day and much more
The United States provides Israel with more than $3.8 billion a year in military assistance, directly implicating the United States in Israeli crimes throughout occupied Palestine.
I heard no voice for your conscience and your morals
bomb Muslim countries.
the western countries occupying the countries of the world
And the seizure of the goods and resources of these countries
Then the media praise them and glorify their criminal image
Even major crimes are attributed to the victim and the perpetrator is left and even supported by misguided idiots
Jews and Christians commit these crimes and attribute them to Muslims to ignite the fire of war against Muslims
America plays with misguided fools like puppets many times And they believe in America
It is enough to accept the truth and become familiar with its evidence. It's not enough just a mood on your part
, but let's try to trace the truth back to you and hope that a passing Christian reader can catch this truth.
Is it now clear to you how incorrect the accusations against Islam are, and the extent to which the Jewish and Christian scholars, and the media, have misled you?
.Moreover we find that it was Christianity – and not Islam – that eradicated the Native people in America.
.We also find that it is Christianity that uprooted the Palestinian people from their land in order to hand it over to the enemies of both Christ and Muhammad (peace be upon them).
.Who is it that started the world wars? In the First World War, ten million people were killed, and in the Second World War, the death toll was seventy million!
.How many humans were killed by the atomic bombs that were dropped on the cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima in Japan?
.During the Crusades, when the Christians besieged Jerusalem and the siege intensified, and its inhabitants realised that they were defeated, they asked the crusader leader Tancred for safe passage for themselves and their wealth, and he granted that to them on condition that they all seek refuge in al-Masjid al-Aqsa (the mosque), carrying safety banners. Al-Masjid al-Aqsa was filled with old men, children and women, and they were slaughtered like sheep; their blood flowed in the holy place until it came up to the knees of the horses, and the streets were filled with crushed skulls, severed arms and legs and mutilated bodies. The historians state that the number of those killed inside al-Masjid al-Aqsa alone was seventy thousand, and no European historians deny these atrocities.
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Christ and Muhammad, the prophets of God, will not bear the sins of people
Only God the Father will judge our deeds on the Day of Resurrection
Jesus, peace be upon him, was not killed, nor was he crucified, and he will not bear the sins of people
The most common belief among Christians is the belief that Jesus died for our sins, but the question is:
Who said that Jesus died for our sins?
Actually when we look at the verses Christians use to prove this belief, we find that 95% of these verses are from Paul’s epistles, and the verses used to prove this belief from the Gospels are very few, which puts a question mark on its source and whether Jesus really told that he would die on the cross for our sins.
we as Muslims don’t need to believe that God needs to be a man or to be crucified for our sins, because God is mightier than that, we actually believe that this is a blasphemy and an insult against God. For sin to be forgiven by God, mans should repent faithfully to God, and acknowledge his sins, and God is the All Forgiver and All Merciful who will forgive him if He really knew he is really intending to repent and stop the sin:
110. And whoever does a wrong or wrongs himself but then seeks forgiveness of Allāh will find Allāh Forgiving and Merciful. ( Holy Quran 4:110)
Doesn’t God forgive sins without Jesus dying?
No need for all that so that God forgives my sins, and this is what is also said by the Old Testament:
Eze 18:21″But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:22None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live.
Did Jesus know that he came to die for our sins?
God only punishes the guilty in Islam and does not harm the innocent
Muslims do not believe in blood sacrifice and they do not believe that a holy man like Jesus should die such a cruel and humiliating death. He bears the sins of mankind while he is innocent
It is better for God to forgive without bloodshed, because He is able to do so, as in Islam, God forgives without killing an innocent person and shedding blood.
God only punishes those who commit a sin, and does not punish the oppressed
Logically, rationally and scientifically, sin is not inherited from the father to his son because it is one of the acquired actions that are not inherited. If your father committed a sin, do you inherit his sin as you inherit the color of his eyes. ? If the father chose to be a criminal, does this mean that his son will inherit from him this nature that is in the father? Likewise, if the father is good, it does not necessarily mean that the son will be so, because he inherited the nature of his father
The belief the inherited sin. contradicts divine justice. This is because the just God punishes a person for what he did, not for what his father or grandparents did. The Bible says in Ezekiel 18/20-21: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
This text indicates the responsibility of each individual for his sin and thus denies the inherited sin.
And in Matthew 16-27: and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
. Christ Himself decides that each person will be rewarded according to his deeds. This contradicts inherited sin and salvation by crucifixion, because the text indicates that salvation is through work and not by crucifixion
Did Jesus die for our sins? Sheikh Khaled Yassin
هل مات عيسى من اجل خطايانا؟ الشيخ خالد ياسين
هل مات المسيح من أجل خطايانا؟ - د. لورنس براون
Did Christ die for our sins? - Dr. Lawrence Brown
God gave all the prophets beautiful bodies, beautiful faces, beautiful voices, and good speech
This is not limited to the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him only
The Messenger of Allâh peace be upon himsaid:
« God sent the Prophets, all with a beautiful face and a beautiful voice ].[narrated by at-tirmîdhiyy
Prophet has the most beautiful face and the most beautiful voice ».
Our Prophet Salla l-Lâhou alayhi wa sallam was the one who had the most beautiful characters and the most beautiful aspects.
Al-Barâ' Ibnou Azib said in the description of the Messager of Allâh Salla l-Lâhou alayhi wa sallam: « The Messenger of Allâh Salla l-Lâhou alayhi wa sallam had the most beautiful face and the best of manners ».
Allâh says in the honorable Qour'ân about the Prophet mohmed peace be upon him
(4) And indeed, you are of a great moral character.
Which means: the one who wants to know the manners of the Prophet, let him recite the Qur’ân and let him understand it. All good manners that Allâh orders in the Qour’ân are among the manners of the Prophet peace be upon him
« He was not vulgar and was neither of those who seek vulgarity, nor of those who shout in the markets. He was not one of those who respond to bad behavior through bad behavior. On the contrary, he forgive and excuse ».
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You are just brainwashed by fake media about MuslimsAnd because there are some misguided groups that attribute themselves to Islam, and they kill Muslims and non-Muslims
when western soldiers without exception were blessed before each mission preceding the bombardment of civilians by Christian priests who are on every western base in the world.
This situation and behavior of Christians is the real instigator and troublemaker against Christians across the Muslim world.
In Palestine,
Muslims have been killing children, women and men, and have occupied their country since 1947. Palestinian civilians are repressed with rubber bullets, stun grenades, beatings and attacks by Israeli soldiers
people and children live every day and much more
The United States provides Israel with more than $3.8 billion a year in military assistance, directly implicating the United States in Israeli crimes throughout occupied Palestine.
I heard no voice for your conscience and your morals
bomb Muslim countries.
the western countries occupying the countries of the world
And the seizure of the goods and resources of these countries
Then the media praise them and glorify their criminal image
Even major crimes are attributed to the victim and the perpetrator is left and even supported by misguided idiots
Jews and Christians commit these crimes and attribute them to Muslims to ignite the fire of war against Muslims
America plays with misguided fools like puppets many times And they believe in America
It is enough to accept the truth and become familiar with its evidence. It's not enough just a mood on your part
, but let's try to trace the truth back to you and hope that a passing Christian reader can catch this truth.
Is it now clear to you how incorrect the accusations against Islam are, and the extent to which the Jewish and Christian scholars, and the media, have misled you?
.Moreover we find that it was Christianity – and not Islam – that eradicated the Native people in America.
.We also find that it is Christianity that uprooted the Palestinian people from their land in order to hand it over to the enemies of both Christ and Muhammad (peace be upon them).
.Who is it that started the world wars? In the First World War, ten million people were killed, and in the Second World War, the death toll was seventy million!
.How many humans were killed by the atomic bombs that were dropped on the cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima in Japan?
.During the Crusades, when the Christians besieged Jerusalem and the siege intensified, and its inhabitants realised that they were defeated, they asked the crusader leader Tancred for safe passage for themselves and their wealth, and he granted that to them on condition that they all seek refuge in al-Masjid al-Aqsa (the mosque), carrying safety banners. Al-Masjid al-Aqsa was filled with old men, children and women, and they were slaughtered like sheep; their blood flowed in the holy place until it came up to the knees of the horses, and the streets were filled with crushed skulls, severed arms and legs and mutilated bodies. The historians state that the number of those killed inside al-Masjid al-Aqsa alone was seventy thousand, and no European historians deny these atrocities.
American Police Officer Converts to Islam
قسيسة امريكية تدافع عن الاسلام -American pastor defends Islam
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Christ and Muhammad, the prophets of God, will not bear the sins of people
Only God the Father will judge our deeds on the Day of Resurrection
Jesus, peace be upon him, was not killed, nor was he crucified, and he will not bear the sins of people
The most common belief among Christians is the belief that Jesus died for our sins, but the question is:
Who said that Jesus died for our sins?
Actually when we look at the verses Christians use to prove this belief, we find that 95% of these verses are from Paul’s epistles, and the verses used to prove this belief from the Gospels are very few, which puts a question mark on its source and whether Jesus really told that he would die on the cross for our sins.
we as Muslims don’t need to believe that God needs to be a man or to be crucified for our sins, because God is mightier than that, we actually believe that this is a blasphemy and an insult against God. For sin to be forgiven by God, mans should repent faithfully to God, and acknowledge his sins, and God is the All Forgiver and All Merciful who will forgive him if He really knew he is really intending to repent and stop the sin:
110. And whoever does a wrong or wrongs himself but then seeks forgiveness of Allāh will find Allāh Forgiving and Merciful. ( Holy Quran 4:110)
Doesn’t God forgive sins without Jesus dying?
No need for all that so that God forgives my sins, and this is what is also said by the Old Testament:
Eze 18:21″But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:22None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live.
Did Jesus know that he came to die for our sins?
God only punishes the guilty in Islam and does not harm the innocent
Muslims do not believe in blood sacrifice and they do not believe that a holy man like Jesus should die such a cruel and humiliating death. He bears the sins of mankind while he is innocent
It is better for God to forgive without bloodshed, because He is able to do so, as in Islam, God forgives without killing an innocent person and shedding blood.
God only punishes those who commit a sin, and does not punish the oppressed
Logically, rationally and scientifically, sin is not inherited from the father to his son because it is one of the acquired actions that are not inherited. If your father committed a sin, do you inherit his sin as you inherit the color of his eyes. ? If the father chose to be a criminal, does this mean that his son will inherit from him this nature that is in the father? Likewise, if the father is good, it does not necessarily mean that the son will be so, because he inherited the nature of his father
The belief the inherited sin. contradicts divine justice. This is because the just God punishes a person for what he did, not for what his father or grandparents did. The Bible says in Ezekiel 18/20-21: The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.
This text indicates the responsibility of each individual for his sin and thus denies the inherited sin.
And in Matthew 16-27: and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.
. Christ Himself decides that each person will be rewarded according to his deeds. This contradicts inherited sin and salvation by crucifixion, because the text indicates that salvation is through work and not by crucifixion
Did Jesus die for our sins? Sheikh Khaled Yassin
هل مات عيسى من اجل خطايانا؟ الشيخ خالد ياسين
هل مات المسيح من أجل خطايانا؟ - د. لورنس براون