Whose Witness will you receive?

4Him said:
You keep proving my point. Thanks.


No kidding.
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No you appear to erecting a strawman

as if someone held that man saves himself or is saved apart from grace

again no one holds that view

affirming Gods grace and conviction does not equate to your belief in irresistible grace and unconditional election to salvation

you cant equate the two
 
fltom said:
No you appear to erecting a strawman

as if someone held that man saves himself or is saved apart from grace

again no one holds that view

affirming Gods grace and conviction does not equate to your belief in irresistible grace and unconditional election to salvation

you cant equate the two
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YOU can't.
 
4Him said:
No.


Man can't believe on his own.
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He cannot and will not grasp the fact that every faculty of man fell when Adam fell. Even his will and understanding things of God. Man didn’t die in Adam, just got a whittle head cold, i.e. the sniffles.
 
4Him said:
No.


Man can't believe on his own.
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lets see

In the parable of the sower Mat 13 you have an unregenerate man receiving the word with joy and falling away

according to your theology that should be impossible

In john 12:40 you have jesus noting that God hardened men so thery would not believe and be saved

that makes no sense in your theology

In Acts 28:27 you have luke stating had men not grown hardened in time they could have believed and be saved

again impossible in your position

in Heb 6:4ff you have some believing temporarily and then falling away

as in real life some believe temporarily and fall away

if regenerate how could they lose it

if not how could they have believed

either way it is a problem for your posdition
 
fltom said:
lets see

In the parable of the sower Mat 13 you have an unregenerate man receiving the word with joy and falling away

according to your theology that should be impossible

In john 12:40 you have jesus noting that God hardened men so thery would not believe and be saved

that makes no sense in your theology

In Acts 28:27 you have luke stating had men not grown hardened in time they could have believed and be saved

again impossible in your position

in Heb 6:4ff you have some believing temporarily and then falling away

as in real life some believe temporarily and fall away

if regenerate how could they lose it

if not how could they have believed

either way it is a problem for your posdition
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No, it isn't. 1 John 2:19

You can't lose your salvation.
 
4Him said:
No, it isn't. 1 John 2:19

You can't lose your salvation.
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You failed to addres most of what I stated

and i did not say any lost their salvation

I noted two theoretical possibilies and both are contrary to your position

losing salvation

believing while unregenerate

one of those cases has to be true if one believes and then falls away

both are contrary to your position
 
4Him said:
I addressed it all. I'm not going in circles with you on this.
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I'm sorry but you did not

You stated nothing at all about the parable of the sower

you said nothing at all about john 12:40

you stated nothing at all about Acts 28:27

the only thing i can credit you with saying you can't lose your salvation - in reference to heb 6:4-6?

which left one other possibility the man believed while unregenerate

so you did not address that either
 
4Him said:
Yes I did. Many times on this board.
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No I have never gone over these with you on this board

  - Whose Witness will you receive?

You keep proving my point. Thanks. No kidding. No you appear to erecting a strawman as if someone held that man saves himself or is saved apart from grace again no one holds that view affirming Gods grace and conviction does not equate to your belief in irresistible grace and...
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fltom said:
No I have never gone over these with you on this board

  - Whose Witness will you receive?

You keep proving my point. Thanks. No kidding. No you appear to erecting a strawman as if someone held that man saves himself or is saved apart from grace again no one holds that view affirming Gods grace and conviction does not equate to your belief in irresistible grace and...
forums.carm.org
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Stop spamming the same post.
 
4Him said:
Those given to the Son will come
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4Him said:
All of God. You have no ability to believe apart from God.
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fltom said:
again God enables faith with the gospel and conviction

He does not believe for you

Acts 16:30–31 (KJV 1900) — 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
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nor does God repent or faith for anyone.
 
4Him said:
Stop spamming the same post.
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There was no spam I noted I had never gone over that with you

You can prove me wrong by providing a link where you did

but there is no sense in having a discussion if you are going to respond to arguments with a stop spamming statement
 
4Him said:
No kidding.
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From what I have learned from Calvinist I don’t believe your statement is true. If you had to do nothing no believing, repenting, and or placing your faith in Jesus, and were elected before God created the heavens and earth what exactly did you do for God to pick you before you were born ?
 
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