Why did you vote for Biden?

Backup

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Why did you vote for Biden?
We needed a sober elder statesman, with nothing to prove, to clean up the mess Trump made and try to repair our damaged reputation around the world.

It’ll be nice to have a president who isn’t a laughing stock and stirs up huge protests and mockery when he travels to other Western Democracies.
 

Andy Sist

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We needed a sober elder statesman, with nothing to prove, to clean up the mess Trump made and try to repair our damaged reputation around the world.

It’ll be nice to have a president who isn’t a laughing stock and stirs up huge protests and mockery when he travels to other Western Democracies.
Also nice to have a President who isn't a compulsive liar and who doesn't always put his own selfish personal desires ahead of the 330 million U.S. citizens he's supposed to care for and lead.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Of the two, he cares more about what's happening in and to this country, and he's a competent leader.
He is in charge in his basement. Except for his mutt.

So President Trump had 22,000 employees in several countries. Joe and you looking for work.

So his bribes from China are "leadership"? Hunter had him as a mentor. Kicked out of military, drugs, bribery, porn, adultery.
 

vibise

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Why did you vote for Biden?
He will appoint knowledgeable, experienced people to the Cabinet and to other positions.
He accepts science and facts.
He will get daily briefings, unlike Trump who has not had a security briefing since the beginning of October.
He will hold serious cabinet meetings not accompanied by "Dear Leader" praises.
He will repair our ties with allies and make sure our foes know they are regarded as foes.
He recognizes the diversity in the USA and is appointing diverse people as advisors.
He does not give credence to conspiracy theories.
He will not put relatives into positions in the WH.
He will not make $$ by holding affairs at his properties and charging the Secret Service to protect him.
He has made his tax returns public.
He has a long history of public service.
 

Mr Laurier

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Why did you vote for Biden?
If I were an american, I would not have voted for Biden.
America has two right wing parties that are both beholden to the same corporate and financial interests. The illusion of a two party system is exposed by the sheer lack of any diversity of thought between the two parties in question.
While some americans seem to think that the Democrats are a left wing party, the reality is that they are not. They are a right wing party with a centrist faction. That is to say, a reactionary party with a liberal faction.
The same is true for the Republicans. a reactionary party with a conservative faction.
Alas america has not had a left wing party EVER. And the age of two centrist parties, one for the bankers, and one for everybody else, are long past.
America's one and only socialist president, Franklin D Roosevelt, was a liberal socialist. His running mate, Truman, was an arch conservative.
 

Whateverman

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If I were an american, I would not have voted for Biden.
America has two right wing parties that are both beholden to the same corporate and financial interests. The illusion of a two party system is exposed by the sheer lack of any diversity of thought between the two parties in question.
While some americans seem to think that the Democrats are a left wing party, the reality is that they are not. They are a right wing party with a centrist faction. That is to say, a reactionary party with a liberal faction.
I get what you're referring to on a general level, but I disagree more than not.

Can you list a few examples of why you think the Democrat party is conservative? Policies, statements/values, etc.
 

vibise

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If I were an american, I would not have voted for Biden.
America has two right wing parties that are both beholden to the same corporate and financial interests. The illusion of a two party system is exposed by the sheer lack of any diversity of thought between the two parties in question.
While some americans seem to think that the Democrats are a left wing party, the reality is that they are not. They are a right wing party with a centrist faction. That is to say, a reactionary party with a liberal faction.
The same is true for the Republicans. a reactionary party with a conservative faction.
Alas america has not had a left wing party EVER. And the age of two centrist parties, one for the bankers, and one for everybody else, are long past.
America's one and only socialist president, Franklin D Roosevelt, was a liberal socialist. His running mate, Truman, was an arch conservative.
If you were an American, how would you have voted? You do not say. We had two candidates to choose from, and a refusal to vote for one would only assist the other.

Yes, the Democratic party is certainly not what the rest of the world would consider left wing, but at least they take climate change and the pandemic seriously along with voting and civil and women's reproductive rights.
 

vibise

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I get what you're referring to on a general level, but I disagree more than not.

Can you list a few examples of why you think the Democrat party is conservative? Policies, statements/values, etc.
Why do you use the pejorative term "Democrat party", a term preferred by the RW. The name of the party is Democratic Party. You would not refer to the Republican party as the Republic party, right?
 

Backup

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Why do you use the pejorative term "Democrat party", a term preferred by the RW. The name of the party is Democratic Party. You would not refer to the Republican party as the Republic party, right?
It’s become such a common troll, I’ve seen a lot of people use it without even thinking about it.
 

Whateverman

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Why do you use the pejorative term "Democrat party", a term preferred by the RW.
I don't see it as a pejorative, sorry. Both US political parties are democratic, in theory, and since the one we're referring to is filled with Democrats, I used the term I thought was the least ambiguous.

For the record, just because someone uses a term as a pejorative doesn't make it so. If we took our lead from what Republicans say, we'd have stopped using the word "liberal" decades ago...

edit: grammar and sentence structure forced me to imply I'm a Democrat. I'm not; I'm an Independent.
 

vibise

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I don't see it as a pejorative, sorry. Both US political parties are democratic, in theory, and since the one we're referring to is filled with Democrats, I used the term I thought was the least ambiguous.

For the record, just because someone uses a term as a pejorative doesn't make it so. If we took our lead from what Republicans say, we'd have stopped using the word "liberal" decades ago...

edit: grammar and sentence structure forced me to imply I'm a Democrat. I'm not; I'm an Independent.
From wikipedia:

Democrat Party is an epithet for the Democratic Party of the United States, used in a disparaging fashion by the party's opponents. While the term has been used in a non-hostile way, it has grown in its negative use since the 1940s, in particular by members of the Republican Party—in party platforms, partisan speeches, and press releases—as well as by conservative commentators.

You don't get to rename a major political party. The term you used is widely regarded as an insult and is preferentially used by the opposition.

And yes, Republicans have worked hard and successfully to disparage terms like liberal and progressive.
 

Whateverman

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You don't get to rename a major political party.
I do, and I have. "Democrat party" is grammatically correct, and I will continue to use the term as I see fit. I don't care if some people have used it disparagingly. Ditto "liberal".

If I'm giving a speech at a political convention, I'll take care not to hurt the feelings of the people in the audience. Here, I speak my mind because that's what a discussion forum is built for.
 

Backup

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I do, and I have. "Democrat party" is grammatically correct, and I will continue to use the term as I see fit. I don't care if some people have used it disparagingly. Ditto "liberal".

If I'm giving a speech at a political convention, I'll take care not to hurt the feelings of the people in the audience. Here, I speak my mind because that's what a discussion forum is built for.
It’s a troll like Drumpf.

 

Whateverman

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It’s a troll like Drumpf.

I'd read the wiki entry when Vibise linked it. I honestly hadn't known the term was used as a pejorative.

I'm not going to stop using it myself, though; it's the correct term. I use it so infrequently that I don't see a big deal about this, either way. If someone asks me to not use it, I'll comply. Anyone who tells me I shouldn't, though, is going to be politely lectured about the silliness of linguistic appropriation.

ps. I'm not a Democrat, but I often get accused of it (though other than the mischaracterization, I don't see anything wrong with being a Democrat). In terms of staking out my political position, my use this term actually seems like a relatively effective method...
 

Backup

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I'd read the wiki entry when Vibise linked it. I honestly hadn't known the term was used as a pejorative.

I'm not going to stop using it myself, though; it's the correct term. I use it so infrequently that I don't see a big deal about this, either way. If someone asks me to not use it, I'll comply. Anyone who tells me I shouldn't, though, is going to be politely lectured about the silliness of linguistic appropriation.

ps. I'm not a Democrat, but I often get accused of it (though other than the mischaracterization, I don't see anything wrong with being a Democrat). In terms of staking out my political position, my use this term actually seems like a relatively effective method...
When something like this is pointed out to me, I stop using the term.

I never understood the doubling down. It seems kind of childish and will only make you look foolish going forward.

I’ve been corrected on using The Ukrainian rather than Ukrainian, calling Asian people Oriental, etc. and stopped using those terms. Even if I might have been a little embarrassed for having these things brought to my attention, I’m glad they were, so I wouldn’t get embarrassed again in the future.
 

Whateverman

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When something like this is pointed out to me, I stop using the term.

I never understood the doubling down. It seems kind of childish and will only make you look foolish going forward.
To the people who care about it, sure. I don't care, though, because I'm right in using it.

I also still use "liberal" in a non-derogatory manner, because I refuse to allow political opponents to turn it into something it was never meant to be.

We'll have to disagree on this. I'm certainly not gonna go out of my way to insult people, though.
 

Electric Skeptic

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I'd read the wiki entry when Vibise linked it. I honestly hadn't known the term was used as a pejorative.

I'm not going to stop using it myself, though; it's the correct term. I use it so infrequently that I don't see a big deal about this, either way. If someone asks me to not use it, I'll comply. Anyone who tells me I shouldn't, though, is going to be politely lectured about the silliness of linguistic appropriation.

ps. I'm not a Democrat, but I often get accused of it (though other than the mischaracterization, I don't see anything wrong with being a Democrat). In terms of staking out my political position, my use this term actually seems like a relatively effective method...
By what criteria do you say that "Democrat party" is "the correct term"?
 
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