David1701
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Certainly; but it's not the subject of the verse.Devil's Advocate...
Would you say the 'way' God Loved the World was, according to the Verse, very much?
Certainly; but it's not the subject of the verse.Devil's Advocate...
Would you say the 'way' God Loved the World was, according to the Verse, very much?
Agreed...Certainly; but it's not the subject of the verse.
I almost wrote that in but stopped short.Well, in a sense, God is also a beneficiary, because all things are for his glory and pleasure.
even though there is much evil God will try and turn it to good,
he is working for good all the time,
we must never forget that.
Many people will be saved, but it's my belief God would like to save all,
because that would be a good thing if no one went to hell, wouldn't it?
Which gives God the greatest glory saving some, or everyone?
So I struggle to see why God would only want to save some and not try and save all.
Why would ANYBODY do (or not do) ANYTHING???? Islamics claim that Isa (Jesus) NEVER WAS CRUCIFIED AT ALL (some other poor slob was made to "look like him", and murdered in His place). You can't make this garbage up!!!!
Many people will be saved, but it's my belief God would like to save all, because that would be a good thing if no one went to hell, wouldn't it? Which gives God the greatest glory saving some, or everyone?
We are to obey him, correct. Where did I say God has to obey his own commands in my reply? Why are you trying to attribute this false accusation against me, I never said that?You do not appear to understand that God's commands are for US to obey, not HIM.
Again another false accusation.He is not commanding himself to repent, nor is he commanding himself to cause all of us to repent.
He wants us to obey, he doesn't want us to obey, correct. Are you telling me this is the God you believe in?God's determinative will and his preceptive will are different categories of will, as I pointed out. You cannot set them against each other, as if they were the same kind of will.
Here we can agree. 100%God's preceptive will tells us what we are accountable to do. We are told to do these things, because they are right and good, and we ought to do them.
So if we do what is opposite to what is good, that is God determinative will, correct? So is this not in contradiction to what you previously said about doing right and good? Either he wants us to do that or he doesn't?God's determinative will is what he has determined to happen.
So are you saying God desired/wanted Adam and Eve to disobey him and fall into sin?if he were, then there would have been no Fall of Adam; in fact, there would have been no sin by man - ever.
He wants us to obey, he doesn't want us to obey, correct. Are you telling me this is the God you believe in?
So if we do what is opposite to what is good, that is God determinative will, correct? So is this not in contradiction to what you previously said about doing right and good? Either he wants us to do that or he doesn't?
What you are saying is God wants us to obey him and do what is right and good, but secretly he doesn't want us to and even determined that we don't.
So are you saying God desired/wanted Adam and Eve to disobey him and fall into sin?
I think this is exactly the topic Paul covers in Romans 9Many people will be saved, but it's my belief God would like to save all, because that would be a good thing if no one went to hell, wouldn't it? Which gives God the greatest glory saving some, or everyone? So I struggle to see why God would only want to save some and not try and save all.
I did and did you see my reply, long before this reply was made here? #76Did you see this, @LeeH ?
You need to understand that we're responding to posts on the fly, and don't always use the best wording. It's not like we're posting book drafts that we've been working on for months and which have gone through multiple editing phases.
I did and did you see my reply, long before this reply was made here? #76
Now how about cutting me some slack?
Yet He allowed the serpent into the gardenGods intent is always for good, agreed.
God's calling upon his chosen people to come to the Shepherd. He's reconciling his elect unto himself.Does God want all people to repent and believe in him, does he command it?
If the answer is no, please explain why God commands something he doesn't want to happen?
If the answer is yes, then he must want all people to be saved, if he wants ALL people to repent and believe, what other purpose can there be for it?
It's better when you are hereGod's calling upon his chosen people to come to the Shepherd. He's reconciling his elect unto himself.
John 10:22 At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23 and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. 24 So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father’s name bear witness about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
Read these passages and share your thoughts?
Well that's because I am probably a worthless individual like you claimed in one of your previous posts.Again, you're simply to use worthless rationalization to try to reject what the Bible teaches.
God will be the judge of that, not you.That's why you don't believe in the God of the Bible.
You win...Well that's because I am probably a worthless individual like you claimed in one of your previous posts.
God will be the judge of that, not you.
I am tired of your responses, you're on ignore.
Any explanation is better than none. Bottom line = NO SALVATION IN ISLAM, they're all hellbound.You know that's not what they actually believe, right?
They deny that Jesus was crucified.
But the "imposter" theory is only one of a few theories to explain what happened. It's not canonical.
Well that's because I am probably a worthless individual like you claimed in one of your previous posts.
God will be the judge of that, not you.
I am tired of your responses, you're on ignore.
God doesn't make anyone do what they ought to do.He is under no obligation to cause everyone to do what he ought to do;