He was raised in glory.
Has nothing to do with His body being raised
No kidding. Same body, but now imperishable.
Why does Jesus need to remain a man?
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Obviously not the glory of the transfiguration.
I think the giving to Jesus all power and authority and the raising of his body were different sides of the same coin, and should be seen as such. This alone rendered his body of flesh imperishable.
Is there anything in the bible that says that Jesus has the "same body" in heaven?
Didn't the Greek orthodoxy passage I quote say that the body that God will give to each is up to him? I remind you:
"For that which thou sowest is not quickened except it die. And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat or of some other grain. But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased Him, and to every seed his own body. Behold, therefore, how the seed is buried in the furrows as in tombs. Who is it that giveth them roots and stalk and leaves and ears and the most delicate beards? Is it not the Maker of the universe? Is it not at the bidding of Him Who hath contrived all things? Believe, therefore, in this wise, even that the resurrection of the dead will come to pass at the divine will and sign. For He has power that is able to keep pace with His will."
Just think: do you think those with physical deformities will relish being raised in the same body that they had whilst on earth? Jesus was unique. His body didn' see decay. But for others, their bodies will decay and die and be buried in the earth. How God will raise them up, is up to him.
The glory we will all be raised in.
No it didn’t.
right next to the verse that says He doesn’t.
God tells us via Paul that our bodies will be as His.
They will be raised as His is.
Harry Leggs
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The logic? Not really sure but if you are doubting the bodily resurrection then explain what happened to the body since the sealed and guarded tomb did not contain a body. If the body was not there then the body resurrected. It is simply logic. Bodily resurrection is easy to disprove. Simply produce the dead body. How hard can it be? There was no dead body to produce. The tomb was empty save some garments (?) Going by memory here.
Why? The claim is bodily resurrection and Jesus ate afterward but then again apparently did things like going thru walls (?) which would be inconsistent with a regular human body. But I do not see any point in scrutinizing all this while ignoring bodily resurrection. It sounds like a dodge or perhaps more a waste of time since the accounts are short and does not contain the details you seem to be asking about.
Harry Leggs
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What happened to the old human body since the tomb was empty? 1 Cor. 15:51...
1 Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. 53 For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. 54 When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written:
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Well done is better than well said. Our job is to mirror Christ to a fallen world. Not to strain out the gnats so we can swallow camels so to speak. Private victories preclude public victories. Not the inverse. IOWS clean out the inside of the cup.
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According to 1st cor. 15: 51-53 not all of them will die as it says we who are living will be transformed so that we will never die. I thought everyone was supposed to die and go to heaven or hell? So at a certain point in time people will have bodies that will never die. Are the living supposed to go to heaven or hell?
Harry Leggs
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That does not answer the question so it is a dodge.
It is obvious what happened to the old body and that is since Jesus was able to appear to them in locked rooms, that the old body was refreshed into a spiritual body and he could get out of a locked room as well as he could get into a locked room and that is how there was no body in the tomb.
I think it also worth noting what Jesus himself said:
Mat 22:29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
I believe Jesus means the righteous will be resurrected in angel-like bodies, where matters of the flesh - marriage and, by implication, sex - are irrelevant.
Start at 22:1 and you will see it is talking about the remnant or the 144,000 who will neither marry nor be given in marriage.
Really? So then you think "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s", which comes between those passages, is an instruction only to the 144,000?
I got a clearer picture of what is saying and that is from 22:23 a woman was married to 7 brothers one after each died and it says whose wife will she be in the resurrection for she was married to all 7 of them. Jesus replied you do not know the scriptures for when the dead rise they wont be married. It is like now and if someone's spouse dies they are not married to the person who died. Notice it says they will not be married and will be like the angels in heaven. That is when they rise or are resurrected they are not considered to be married and it does not say they can not get married again.
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It says:
30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. (NIV)
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels [g]of God in heaven. (KJV)
To me, that is saying there will be no getting married after the resurrection. Yes, existing marriages will be null-and-void, but additionally, there will be no new marriages. Why will that be? Because the resurrected will be like angels, and concerns of the flesh will be irrelevant.
I am still not clear what your point was about the 144,000. Have you abandoned that argument now?
I need more time to study about the 144,000. That is talking about the resurrected at vs 30 . What about those who do not die and their bodies will be transformed so they will never die at 1st cor. 15:51-53?
It is talking about the resurrected, but not the 144,000 - unless only 144,000 will be resurrected.
You answered this yourself. There bodies will be transformed. They will, in the twinkling of an eye, become like angels.
tbeachhead
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Short answer:
He has a bride.
Longer answer: When He created us in the image and likeness of God...he created us "male and female." He's the male in the image...never the female. The Bride is the female. That's not Jesus. He's the bridegroom.
Not a bride of a different sex though, unless you plan to change gender. So this suggests that he didn't remain human, as the concept of bride and bridegroom re Jesus and his church are spiritual concepts, not human concepts.
The bridegroom merely means the head in this context. "He is the head of the church his body," Col 1:18.
tbeachhead
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You make a great mistake.
I'm not THE Bride. I'm merely a member of the bride. The living stone is not the city.
No...The bridegroom means the bridegroom...and the two become one. We're not created in His image male and female by accident.
Woke is a sick religion of depravity. There is no truth in their message, only poison.
That's like saying you're not a human being, just a member of the human race.
The bridegroom means the head in Col 1:18, whether you like it or not.
1 Cor 1:3 The head of the male is Christ, and the male is the head of female.
tbeachhead
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No...It's like quoting Paul. We're one body, and each a member. He is the head.
I like it, but you're clinging to one image as if the other is non-existent. Both exist, and each is equally vital to understanding. There is a male, Who provides the seed. There is a female, Who produces the offspring.
That's one of the verses...Peter describes us as living stones. Revelation brings the living city down from above, described as the Bride. 1 Corinthians 12 describes the value of each member's role in the body.
It's all there. And the concept of male and female is central to the understanding.