Why I am not a Arminian (Anymore)

[GeneZ]

You really like having your ego stroked, don't you?

When are you going to stop talking about yourself and others, and start discussing THEOLOGY?

Personality cults tend to do that......

 

[fltom]

Sorry, but NONE of your garbage is Biblical, seth...

You've invented the term, "new life" so that you can CONFLATE "regeneration" with "eternal life", when they are NOT the same thing.

There is NO Scripture which teaches "regeneration" is "new life".
You are simply playing stupid word games.

You are in error Theo

regeneration is indeed the production of new life


Definition of Regeneration

MHT: Definition of Regeneration

DEFINITION OF REGENERATION
The word regeneration (Gk. paliggenesia) appears only twice in the New Testament. Once it is used eschatologically, “of the renewing of the world in the time of the Messiah” (Matt. 19:28),36 the second usage is “of the rebirth of a redeemed person” (Titus 3:5).37 Regeneration should be distinguished from conversion. Conversion refers to the response of the human being to God’s offer of salvation and approach to man. Regeneration is the other side of conversion. It is God’s doing. In regeneration the soul is passive; in conversion, it is active. Regeneration may be defined as the communication of divine life to the soul … as the impartation of a new nature … or heart … and the production of a new creation.38 Succinctly stated, to regenerate means “to impart life.” Regeneration is the act whereby God imparts life to the one who believes.

RESULT OF REGENERATION

A new nature. The result of regeneration is the impartation of a “divine nature” (2 Pet. 1:4). The believer has received a “new self” (Eph. 4:24), a capacity for righteous living. He is a “new creature” (2 Cor. 5:17).
A new life. The believer has received a new mind (1 Cor. 2:16) that he might know God; a new heart (Rom. 5:5) that he may love God (1 John 4:9); and a new will (Rom. 6:13) that he may obey God.

Paul P. Enns, The Moody Handbook of Theology (Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1989), 339–340.

REGENERATION The transformation of a person’s spiritual condition from death to life through the work of the Holy Spirit. Although the concept of regeneration appears in both the Old and New Testaments, the word itself (παλινγενεσία, palingenesia) stems from the Pythagoreans (fifth century bc), who used it to indicate that the human soul does not perish with the body but is born again in new incarnations.
Lexham Bible dictionary


REGENERATING (Titus 3:5)

Although the word regeneration is used only twice in the Bible (Titus 3:5, where it refers to the new birth, and Mt 19:28 where it refers to the millennial kingdom), the concept of being born again is found in other passages, notably John 3. Technically, it is God’s act of begetting eternal life in the one who believes in Christ.

Charles Caldwell Ryrie, A Survey of Bible Doctrine (Chicago: Moody Press, 1972).



(6) spiritual or eternal life, a state of regeneration or renewal in holiness and fellowship with God (John 3:15–16, 36; 5:24; 6:47); (7) the life that is in Christ and God—divine life itself (John 1:4; 1 John 1:1–2; 5:11).

Walter A. Elwell, Evangelical Dictionary of Theology: Second Edition (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2001), 394.

c) Eternal life, which begins not after death, but immediately upon the regeneration of the sinner, as all life has its beginning in birth. John 3:14, 15, 1 John 4:9.

Otto Thelemann, An Aid to the Heidelberg Catechism, trans. M. Peters (Reading, PA: James I. Good, D. D, Publisher, 1896), 154.

Regeneration

It is the act of God whereby He renews the spiritual condition of a sinner. It is a spiritual change brought about by the work of the Holy Spirit so that the person then possesses new life–eternal life

CARM

The Holy Spirit applies the benefits of salvation to those whom he indwells. The indwelling of the Spirit is both corporate and individual; Christ’s church is his temple, as are individual Christians. In regeneration, the Spirit gives new life to the believer, birthing a new creation.



Susanne Calhoun, “The Spirit’s Indwelling,” in Lexham Survey of Theology, ed. Mark Ward et al. (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2018).

second birth Also, new birth; rebirth. Regeneration through the Holy Spirit to new life from being dead in sin. Baptism dramatically portrays this experience, but views differ on its actual relation to the second birth.

George Thomas Kurian, Nelson’s New Christian Dictionary: The Authoritative Resource on the Christian World (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishers, 2001).

 

[Dizerner]

They can't allow RE GENERATE, give life again, to mean new life.

It leads to conclusions they don't like.

So now getting new life leads to new life!

Woo-woo, the rules don't apply in Calvinball.

 

[fltom]

They can't allow RE GENERATE, give life again, to mean new life.

It leads to conclusions they don't like.

So now getting new life leads to new life!

Woo-woo, the rules don't apply in Calvinball.

That is the bottom line

Scripture takes a backseat to their Calvinism

regeneration as the impartation of life refutes Calvinism

 

[Dizerner]

You get out of the boomerang zone with Compatilism, by the way.

 

[guest1]

They can't allow RE GENERATE, give life again, to mean new life.

It leads to conclusions they don't like.

So now getting new life leads to new life!

Woo-woo, the rules don't apply in Calvinball.

Hilarious !!!

 

[fltom]

Sorry, but NONE of your garbage is Biblical, seth...

You've invented the term, "new life" so that you can CONFLATE "regeneration" with "eternal life", when they are NOT the same thing.

There is NO Scripture which teaches "regeneration" is "new life".
You are simply playing stupid word games.

Tsk Tsk Theo

According to you quickening - being made alive speaks of regeneration

so how then could regeneration not be the introduction of a new life

from a previous post

TomFL said:

Quickening (being made alive) speaks of regeneration

Theo

That is correct.

But that doesn't help your position one whit.

Do you know why?

from

The foundation of all salvation.

False. Again. Here is what he wrote: "The way I see it, we do need the Holy Spirit to produce faith, but if you had regeneration before faith, you wouldn't need faith to be regenerated, faith would be unrelated to regeneration, and it would have nothing do with actually becoming saved...

forums.carm.org

 

[Theo1689]

Tsk Tsk Theo

According to you quickening - being made alive speaks of regeneration

so how then could regeneration not be the introduction of a new life

from a previous post

TomFL said:

Quickening (being made alive) speaks of regeneration



from

The foundation of all salvation.

False. Again. Here is what he wrote: "The way I see it, we do need the Holy Spirit to produce faith, but if you had regeneration before faith, you wouldn't need faith to be regenerated, faith would be unrelated to regeneration, and it would have nothing do with actually becoming saved...

forums.carm.org

So now you're going back to respond to 6-month-old posts?
Get a hobby, for Pete's sake...

 

[guest1]

Yes civic you are a great teacher ?

I concur with Theo sentiments .

The name is Chalcedon

Thank you I'm glad to be of help as the Lords bondservant.

 

[Dizerner]

The name is Chalcedon

Thank you I'm glad to be of help as the Lords bondservant.

Some of God's best servants taught the wrong thing for a time.

Even the giants Paul and Peter were once at odds.

 

[guest1]

Some of God's best servants taught the wrong thing for a time.

Even the giants Paul and Peter were once at odds.

That is very true.

 

[Theo1689]

Yes civic you are a great teacher ?

I concur with Theo sentiments .

Wow...

The anti-Calvinists are so bankrupt for material, and so obsessed with seeing their own posts, they have to go back to respond to six-month-old posts.

 

[guest1]

Wow...

The anti-Calvinists are so bankrupt for material, and so obsessed with seeing their own posts, they have to go back to respond to six-month-old posts.

Truth is truth regardless of time . God predermined I would say this at this exact moment in time. But thanks for the compliment.

 

[fltom]

So now you're going back to respond to 6-month-old posts?
Get a hobby, for Pete's sake...

Nice way to avoid facing up to your error

Actually I came across it accidently during a search concerning a recent denial by you

It was just one more evidence of your error

 

[YeshuaFan]

That is the bottom line

Scripture takes a backseat to their Calvinism

regeneration as the impartation of life refutes Calvinism

Regeneration in order to get born again and saved!

 

[fltom]

Regeneration in order to get born again and saved!

regeneration and being born again speak of the same thing

It is preceded by faith

 

[guest1]

regeneration and being born again speak of the same thing

It is preceded by faith

Yes same meaning regeneration is new life , new birth .

 

[fltom]

Yes same meaning regeneration is new life , new birth .

Yep and it is decisive

 

[Alexander the adequate]

Once upon a time I was a Classical Arminian, until after several months of reading, studying, and learning about Classical Calvinism (Doctrines of Grace), that I became a convinced Calvinist. Here are the reasons why I am not a Arminian.

1) Arminians have too lofty a view of the human condition and an inadequate understanding of God's Sovereign Love in Christ.

2) Arminianism & Semi-Pelagianism are like Brother & Sister

3) They believe & Teach Total Depravity, but then wipe away this teaching by the sinner's cooperation to decide his/her own fate. God is only a bystander in hopes that they make the right decision to be saved. So the sinner is never fully regenerated by the Holy Spirit, they're partially regenerated and placed in limbo between Life & Death where they decide to accept and go to heaven or reject it and go to hell. Which makes no sense, because who would ever want to got to hell?

4) Water down Grace; cheap Grace! Their Grace doesn't accomplish anything. It's up to the sinner to make the Cross effectual by THEIR activity, not by Christ's. Christ did cross the finish line, so it's up to the sinner to help Jesus finish what he could not.

So in essence their Gospel is no gospel at all. There's no hope, no assurance, no peace, no love, no satisfaction, no Salvation, because it's left up to the sinner!

Who thinks God is a bystander? He created us, He died for us, He rose for us, He prepared a place for us, He draws us, He is coming back for us, but according to you, if we say "yes" we make Him a bystander?

 

[guest1]

Who thinks God is a bystander? He created us, He died for, He rose for us, He prepared a place for us, He draws us, He is coming back for us, but according to you, if we say "yes" we make Him a bystander?

I don’t think the person posts here anymore